The Official Growl Bass Thread

[dubesteppe]

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Done in massive.

Edit: no processing! (just like girls say, "no make up!" )

im interested in how this was made if you still have the patch!

[subfect]

I can't believe everyone is calling me an asshole. I'm not asking for nor do I want people to say "omg your the best" but my bass sound is undeniably in another league from anything made on this forum.

Are you a troll? Back under the bridge, mate.

[shinra]

i had a lot of success just with massive. bend +-, then modulate the wavetables. carbon is a good wt to play with. try messing with the phase on the mod osc. hint: your screen should have a lot of green quarter circles on it

[mromgwtf]

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Done in massive.

Edit: no processing! (just like girls say, "no make up!" )

im interested in how this was made if you still have the patch!

Believe me or not... it's using modern talking.

[subfect]

i had a lot of success just with massive. bend +-, then modulate the wavetables. carbon is a good wt to play with. try messing with the phase on the mod osc. hint: your screen should have a lot of green quarter circles on it

Yeah, I really like carbon as well. Has some nice harmonics.

[Marzz]

i had a lot of success just with massive. bend +-, then modulate the wavetables. carbon is a good wt to play with. try messing with the phase on the mod osc. hint: your screen should have a lot of green quarter circles on it

Yeah, I really like carbon as well. Has some nice harmonics.

I love Groan 1 tho

[RandoRando]

listen to :35 in this tune,

a little bit like skrilly's yeah?



EDIT: LOL this is the tune i meant to post

[jrisreal]

@RandoRando. Kinda, but it sounds like she got rid of the diarrhea tonal qualities.

EDIT: Now that you changed it...yes that sounds exactly like Skrillicks

[jrisreal]

dubesteppe, your avatar is now a factory that turns elephants into brains.

[RandoRando]

zachary d your avatar scared me, i hovered the cursor over to the right of the screen and you followed, i nearly threw my laptop across the room

[Electric_Head]

those f-ing eyes

[jrisreal]

hehehe

[Marzz]

hehehe

I swear one day it was like totally normal and then I looked close the next day and I almost soiled myself

[hookey]

Now that you guys have experienced by yourself how hard it is to make this sound decent... don't you think it's a bit dodgy to think Skrillex did Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites on a laptop with some blown up speaker (so basically in mono?) connected to the headphone jack?

Anyway, for this particular song I dont think he used Talkwah to modulate the vowels. It sounds TERRIBLE. Destroys the sound harmonics and weight, puts a very annoying resonance on it. WOW Filter seems better but still pretty bad, it's too obvious when someone uses it, you can spot all these resonances happening. So what the fuck did Skrillex use for the SMANS growl to modulate it in a way that sounds like vowels talking yet not get any of these artifacts?

I've heard he modulated the EQ8 manually, but I don't use Ableton so I can't say. Is there any good equalizer with vowel presets? Looking them in a chart and doing it all yourself sounds like a pain in the ass.

Anyone can tell me all the freqs and Q's from used in the formant presets on EQ8? I'll try to get these on my equalizer and play arround with it.

Also, im not sure about resampling. I think most of the sound is FM8. The effects on FM8 are pretty bad tho.
Ohmicide for distortion i've tried, and I always end up with overdistorted crap.

the formany presets for EQ8 wouldnt yield his results, they sound weird, that sound will always remain a mystery.
this was the first sign ever of this song, who knows how the fuck he made that sound on a blown speaker (ive seen that same interview) this one sounds a little different too

Yeah. I think it's simply impossible that he did it as he says.
As far as the EQ8, i've heard he automates it manually in some interview... but if I trust you on that one and we rule EQ8 formant filter capabilities, we rule out the horrible "Talkwah" on FM8 effects, and we rule out WOW Filter... then what the hell is making the bass sound as if it's articulating vowels?

[Burgeamon]

Ok, here's how I created the growls from this track.

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First of all, I started of by following this tutorial and then took certain parts of it and messing with it. I didn't use it all, basically the way he locks a LPF and HPF to a macro is very important.



Instead of using FM8 I just used massive because I'm more comfortable with that synth at the moment. I took a thick reece bass with a fair bit of movement but wasn't using the filters to create a rhythm or any kind of real pattern, just some double notching / bandpass to create a gnarly sound with lots of movement, the two filters combined with +/- 12 pitch bends are going to create most of the vocal sound.

My effects chain after massive goes EQ (To cut below 100 hz mainly) ---> WOW Filter (fairly high overdrive / vocal / low dry wet) ---> Chorus ---> Camelphat ---> Locked filters (see above).

Automated the macro with the 2 locked filters along with some pitchbends to get some pretty gnarly sounds. The only problem is that the filters are going to give you an inconsistent bottom / lower mid... so I grouped all this together and then duplicated the chain. The second chain I removed all of the effects and started again, this time EQ (High cutting around 400hz) ---> Saturation (Low dry/wet) ---> Sausage Fattener ---> Compression. This gives me a pretty consistent bass / lower midrange.

I then created a third chain with another instance of massive but this time for a sub. So we have an instrument rack with 3 instances of massive.

This still needed work so I added the following after the entire group.

I created an effects rack so that I could do a bunch of stuff in parralell. After splitting freqs (in a round about way) I didn't want to start effecting the entire sound again.

I had the following chains.

Clean (Sound coming through as it is)
Flange (EQ8 Cutting below 200ish hz then a flanger then saturation)
Saturation (EQ8 Cutting below 1k hz then used FabFilter Saturn then a stereo widener)
Reverb (EQ8 cutting around 300hz then reverb)

The clean was left at 0db then I mixed in the other chains. The flange and reverb help with the width nicely while the saturation added some bite to the overall sound. A little of each goes a long way.

After all of this I used a multiband compressor (with a limiter) to get the levels undercontrol and I then sidechained the entire thing to a silent channel with a high hat mimicking the Kick and Snare with a super fast attack and release of around 45ms. I had the threshold pretty low and the ration at 3.5:1. This just allows the kick and snares attack to really punch through. This took me a while to tweak as I didn't want it to pump too much.

A lot of this is from memory as I'm not at my home machine right now. Hope this gives some people ideas.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is the right way to do things at all and I'm probably over complicating some aspects, but this all came from experimenting and having FUN! All in all it took me a few months of experimenting and coming up with some absolute dog shit to get anything that I was happy with but I never gave up because the challenge of learning something new is what inspired me.

[Electric_Head]

Good tutorial.

[Th3Reindeer]

I'm totally saving that tutorial for a time when I've got my chops down better.

[Th3Reindeer]

Gentle speech and 2 saws. Bandreject and highpass2 in series. Sine shaper and parabolic shaper. Modulate all the waveforms and the filter. Envelope the highpass to go off in the tip. Adds more growl. Modulate the eq and just experiment. Its really just messing with filters and eq and seeing how the distortions work together. All my songs in my sig are pure massive

I experimented with that. Ended up with this:



and it sounds like this

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[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a3c_1343168437

here some samples to work into the bass

[mthrfnk]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a3c_1343168437

here some samples to work into the bass

mind. blown.