This whole thing pisses me off, do you know how big the Turkish army is? This isn't a Western problem to deal with when there are such powerful people in Syria's vicinity, although trying to stop the killing is obviously the moral thing to do, why is it the Wests job to do something about it. No doubt any (more?) Western intervention will just spawn more Western hating Islamists who wanna blow shit up
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:58 pm
by nitz
Terpit wrote:This whole thing pisses me off, do you know how big the Turkish army is? This isn't a Western problem to deal with when there are such powerful people in Syria's vicinity, although trying to stop the killing is obviously the moral thing to do, why is it the Wests job to do something about it. No doubt any (more?) Western intervention will just spawn more Western hating Islamists who wanna blow shit up
^ There are just under 200 members of the UN, yet as you said, its always the USA or UK trying to fix everything.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:02 pm
by nitz
Just within the last few hour the latest news on syria is that they apparently have agreed on handing over/control of their chemical weapon.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:26 pm
by MrBlack
It's usually the World Police that love a good war, but the UK's government love to play the lapdog also. Like someone else has already said, how is it our problem and why now after two years of conflict?? Neither the UK or US can take the moral high ground against assad, we're just as bad. If not worse imo.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:05 pm
by test_recordings
nitz wrote:Just within the last few hour the latest news on syria is that they apparently have agreed on handing over/control of their chemical weapon.
They think they're better off without them, it seems. Can't be used without intervention becoming more likely.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:32 pm
by alphacat
Pipeline politics. Pure and simple. Competing business speculation being backed by sovereign national entities instead of the other way 'round. The nations' armies in the employ of sharks in suits.
Nothing new.
I'm getting past the point of , past some of the resignation. I just wish something big would come and fuck it all up to put things in proper perspective for all parties concerned. A meteor, an epidemic, a radically destabilizing technological innovation - anything. The apple cart is not only sunk in the mud, it has a goddamned cement foundation with staked tethers at this point.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:28 pm
by Devilsindub
alphacat wrote:Pipeline politics. Pure and simple. Competing business speculation being backed by sovereign national entities instead of the other way 'round. The nations' armies in the employ of sharks in suits.
Nothing new.
I'm getting past the point of , past some of the resignation. I just wish something big would come and fuck it all up to put things in proper perspective for all parties concerned. A meteor, an epidemic, a radically destabilizing technological innovation - anything. The apple cart is not only sunk in the mud, it has a goddamned cement foundation with staked tethers at this point.
I vote for alien apocalypse! Nothing brings people together like an alien invasion
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:00 pm
by mks
At least aliens coming and making it clear to all of the superpowers that their technology ain't shit and to tell them to clean up their act with all of their greed and lust for power.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:32 pm
by alphacat
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:45 pm
by mks
Ike on the rise of the Military-Industrial complex:
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:16 am
by Devilsindub
well that's it folks. We're going to war. Listening to Obama speak of his air strikes right now and his saying it's going down. All I can hear is blablablablablabla air strike blablablablabla I think it's in our best interest for military strike blablablablabla we'll deal with Russia and China blablablablablabla no boots on the ground. I'm paraphrasing of coarse. Does anybody else hear the bull shit that's coming out of his mouth?
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:49 am
by bennyfroobs
fuuuuurk
how is AIR STRIKING syria going to achieve ANYTHING? murdering civillians to stop the murder of civilians!! great plan
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:57 am
by Devilsindub
bennyfroobs wrote:fuuuuurk
how is AIR STRIKING syria going to achieve ANYTHING? murdering civillians to stop the murder of civilians!! great plan
He's saying that it will be a focused attack on Asad that will deter his use of chemical weapons. When senate brought up the fact that a pin point attack won't do much, he replied America never makes a pin point attack? More paraphrasing, but what? He contradicted himself at least three times during his speech.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:01 am
by titchbit
well it's not like they're going to air strike residential neighborhoods. it would be on key government buildings and warehouses that store the weapons and other assets of assad's regime. not saying I'm for it, I'm just saying we wouldn't be senselessly killing civilians.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:16 am
by bennyfroobs
but assad didnt even use chemical weapons ffs lol
such pile of lies and contradictions
it would be senseless and civilians would get killed ): its not going to deter anyone from doing anything, it'll just exacerbate things
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:18 am
by Jizz
dubunked wrote:well it's not like they're going to air strike residential neighborhoods. it would be on key government buildings.
Also, retaliation should be fun to watch
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:34 am
by titchbit
bennyfroobs wrote:but assad didnt even use chemical weapons ffs lol
such pile of lies and contradictions
it would be senseless and civilians would get killed ): its not going to deter anyone from doing anything, it'll just exacerbate things
Yes, assad did use chemical weapons. He even admitted it.
JizzMan wrote:Also, retaliation should be fun to watch
Retaliation? This is a ragtag army we're talking about. They pose zero threat to any country besides their own. Even Isreal's military is 1000s of times stronger than Assad. They are confident they can defend themselves from him. Assad knows this, and I highly doubt, now that the world spotlight is on him, he's going to do anything more to put his power in danger. He wants to continue being the dictator, and retaliation would risk that.
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:38 am
by 3za
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
Re: Syria: War Starting Thursday?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:45 am
by bennyfroobs
dubunked wrote:Yes, assad did use chemical weapons. He even admitted it.
lel
u gna source that? pretty sure hes straight up denied it the whole time
what someone said on russian/syrian agreement to get rid of assads chemical weapon stockpile (having a stockpile is not admitting USING them) :::::
"I have doubts that this move will appease the Saudis and Qataris who are bankrolling this 'civil war.' Qatar wants Assad gone and someone who will approve a natural gas pipeline through Syria; Saudi Arabia wants Assad gone and someone who is more friendly towards Islamic fundamentalism in power and will not put the Qatari pipeline in.
The Saudis, who control about 25% of the world's fossil fuel reserves, are using their connections/control of the U.S. military to do their bidding (see this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-2 ... syrian-war).
Then there are the hegemonic tendencies of the United States that has planned regime change in numerous non-compliant, Middle Eastern and North African nations for years. Retired General Wesley Clark confirmed this stating that the plan was to take out seven countries over a multi-year stretch, including Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, and Libya.
The machinations of the various players is complex and not even close to being clear-cut as the politicians and their corporate, mainstream media puppets portray. "
, past some of the resignation. I just wish something big would come and fuck it all up to put things in proper perspective for all parties concerned. A meteor, an epidemic, a radically destabilizing technological innovation - anything. The apple cart is not only sunk in the mud, it has a goddamned cement foundation with staked tethers at this point.
More paraphrasing, but what? He contradicted himself at least three times during his speech.