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Post by pk- » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:24 pm

I assume that the last ten pages has been people telling parson he's a dick and parson writing like twenty posts one after another, so i can't be fucked to read it

however, trying to find somewhere to download that study for free turned up some reasonably interesting shite
Tashkin has done a number of studies over the decades comparing these groups. "I began with the hypothesis that regular smoking of marijuana would have an impact on the lungs qualitatively similar to the impact of regular tobacco smoking," he says. That's because the smoke of both plants are more similar than different.

Tashkin and his colleagues did find symptoms of chronic bronchitis in his marijuana-smoking group. In a 1987 study in the American Review of Respiratory Diseases, they reported that incidence of chronic cough, sputum production and wheezing was similar to that in cigarette smokers.

In a second study in the same subjects published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine in 1998, examination of the airways and the cells lining the airways found swelling, redness and increased secretions in marijuana users. Biopsies showed "extensive, widespread damage to the mucosa," Tashkin says, similar to what was seen in tobacco users. "This is amazing, because the marijuana smokers average three joints a day, but the tobacco controls smoked 22 cigarettes, suggesting that on a cigarette-to-cigarette basis, marijuana may be more damaging."

But marijuana smokers differ from tobacco smokers in other, potentially more important ways, Tashkin adds. They do not seem to develop more serious consequences of cigarette smoking, namely chronic obstructive pulmonary disease ( COPD ) -- the fourth leading cause of death in the U.S., killing 130,000 people each year -- or lung cancer, the most common cancer in Americans and responsible for an additional 160,000 annual deaths, according to 2005 statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

To study lung cancer, Tashkin looked at more than 600 lung cancer patients and more than 1,000 control patients matched for age, socioeconomic class, family history and other alcohol and drug use ( along with many other potential influences ).
so no cancer, but not exactly benefiting your lungs

the cancer study he did took the following stuff into account
A population-based case-control study was conducted by identifying ca cases, ages 18-59, through rapid ascertainment by the LAC Cancer Surveillance Program. Controls were matched to cases on age, gender & neighborhood. Personal interviews were completed in 611 lung ca cases & 1040 controls. Data were collected on lifetime use of MJ (measured in joint-yrs [j-yrs]; 1 j-yr=365 joints), tobacco (tob), alcohol & other drugs, SES, diet, occupation & family hx of ca. Logistic regression was used to estimate the effect of MJ use on lung ca risk, adjusting for age, gender, race/ethnicity, education & cumulative tob smoking & alcohol use.
but a similar study last year found
A case–control study of lung cancer in adults ≤55 yrs of age was conducted in eight district health boards in New Zealand. Cases were identified from the New Zealand Cancer Registry and hospital databases. Controls were randomly selected from the electoral roll, with frequency matching to cases in 5-yr age groups and district health boards. Interviewer-administered questionnaires were used to assess possible risk factors, including cannabis use. The relative risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking was estimated by logistic regression.

In total, 79 cases of lung cancer and 324 controls were included in the study. The risk of lung cancer increased 8% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2–15) for each joint-yr of cannabis smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking, and 7% (95% CI 5–9) for each pack-yr of cigarette smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cannabis smoking. The highest tertile of cannabis use was associated with an increased risk of lung cancer (relative risk 5.7 (95% CI 1.5–21.6)), after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking.

In conclusion, the results of the present study indicate that long-term cannabis use increases the risk of lung cancer in young adults.
http://www.erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/cont ... t/31/2/280

so surely there must be other factors at work one way or the other?

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Post by pk- » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:35 pm

oh and if you ever go to the Rye pub in peckham, whatever you do don't have the chicken & ham pie with mash & gravy

it's fucking terrible

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Post by dubluke » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:37 pm

pk- wrote:oh and if you ever go to the Rye pub in peckham, whatever you do don't have the chicken & ham pie with mash & gravy

it's fucking terrible
i can second this.
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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:38 pm

pk- wrote:...In total, 79 cases of lung cancer and 324 controls were included in the study. The risk of lung cancer increased 8% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2–15) for each joint-yr of cannabis smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking, and 7% (95% CI 5–9) for each pack-yr of cigarette smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cannabis smoking. The highest tertile of cannabis use was associated with an increased risk of lung cancer (relative risk 5.7 (95% CI 1.5–21.6)), after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking.

In conclusion, the results of the present study indicate that long-term cannabis use increases the risk of lung cancer in young adults.
http://www.erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/cont ... t/31/2/280

so surely there must be other factors at work one way or the other?[/quote]

the smoking thing is the smoking thing. There is increased risk involved with smoking.
ScienceDaily wrote:“Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers”

ScienceDaily (Jan. 27, 2008) — A new study finds that the development of bullous lung disease occurs in marijuana smokers approximately 20 years earlier than tobacco smokers.
But why….is it because of the marijuana/thc itself?

Why…not at all.
ScienceDaily wrote:Lead author Dr. Matthew Naughton says,"Marijuana is inhaled as extremely hot fumes to the peak inspiration and held for as long as possible before slow exhalation. This predisposes to greater damage to the lungs and makes marijuana smokers are more prone to bullous disease as compared to cigarette smokers." Patients who smoke marijuana inhale more and hold their breath four times longer than cigarette smokers. It is the breathing manoeuvres of marijuana smokers that serve to increase the concentration and pulmonary deposition of inhaled particulate matter – resulting in greater and more rapid lung destruction.
if we improve on the method, we can lower the risk. and then perhaps it would be risk free. I hear good things about vaporizers. Perhaps this is the healthiest way to ingest it.
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Post by elbe » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:16 pm

Vaporisers are much better, tho you need to spend a bit of money, I brought one back in the dayz when I was a young blazer, it did work to well, but then I was a cheap bastard

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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:19 pm

eLBe wrote:Vaporisers are much better, tho you need to spend a bit of money, I brought one back in the dayz when I was a young blazer, it did work to well, but then I was a cheap bastard
lol i'm a cheap bastard hahahaha. oh i'm fucked. i'll start looking into them tho. might be good for my lungs to take a break :D
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Post by oddfellow » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:45 pm

Eating it is easily the best method if you can do it right. My experiences have been mixed but with lower doses always good ones. If you can get stuff that hasn't been sprayed with horrible shit when its a winner it seems.

Problem with smoking anything is that your inhaling something of a high temperature and the lungs wont like that one bit.

But it is really nice having a smoke....

This thread has been emotional it seems. I've cried at least three times over the past hour.

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Post by menacetosobriety » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:03 am

Pie and Mash shops are always full of OAPs as it is one of the only foods that they can eat with no teeth

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Post by deamonds » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:13 am

Roman Road E3 for the best pie und ala mash

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Post by le_hardcore_chiefus » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:17 am

corned beef hash with onions, grilled cheese and tomato on the top, with a side order of beetroot last nite

reheat left overs tonite :D

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Post by nousd » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:00 pm

Shit Parson
if that weren't a mean drunk....
Howzya head mate?

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Post by bellybelle » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:19 pm

SD5 wrote:Shit Parson
if that weren't a mean drunk....
Howzya head mate?

shhhh you're not supposed to be talking about that anymore. didn't you see the title change? ;)
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Post by badger » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:30 pm

bellybelle wrote:didn't you see the title change? ;)
that was nothing to do with me btw

you can talk about what you want here

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Post by gwa » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:32 pm

So i was shooting some speedball last night....
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Post by christophera » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:34 pm

i didn't use any ad hominems until they were let out on me first.

fooish went in on me first. then gash. then silentk started flipping out.

its all here in the thread.

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Post by nousd » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:08 am

Reckon we should put you in a pit with this new guy Hobang...to the death,
or worse, till ignored. :)

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