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sd5 wrote:maate
I can understand self-hatred
& buying how yu poms were imperialist bastards etc
(with no saving graces nor justifications at all)
but how about at least visiting the States before making final judgement as to their motives?

its not the normal people, its the people youd never meet if you visited the states a thousand times

hackman wrote:sorry i was being calm, bullshit is a calm word lol

Hah, edited it because I thought it was unfair.

i dont think zimbabwe is a far worse administration, the american one has been going on much longer, but is just way more subtle
its obviously evil and needs to be sorted out, but i just think the american one is much more evil
btw this is nothing against american people, im talking about the heads of the corps, shadow government types, the bushes, the council foreign relations, bilderbergs etc
englands just as much the great satan for the same reasons

If you think there's genuine ground to be gained here, then go for it. If you genuinely believe that the US intentionally caused an earthquake killing nigh-on 150,000 people then you've got a busy life ahead, but it'll be worth it... stranger things have been proven, but nothing was ever proven with "unconfirmed reports from unnamed sources".

You've obviously seen a lot of the world from different angles to me. I've spent a lot of time with big (and some small) companies and I think I have a decent handle on a lot of human motivation. My instinct leads me to think that the more you remove individual identity from proceedings, the less we consider the morality of our actions - therefore the actions of massive PLCs tends to amoralism (not immoralism), they seek profit and don't think twice about morality.

Personally, I believe that is a symptom of a lack of individual identity in society. I believe if actions can all be attributed to human beings (Joe Bloggs rather than 'A Royal Bank of Scotland representative) then those humans will naturally act with more moral consideration.

The point that really sticks in my craw with a lot of conspiracy theory is that they often imply there are people out there intentionally causing misery for their own benefit... and try as I might, I have never seen this with my own eyes in industry or government. Everyone I meet is just trying to do their job and go home.

As for politicians - every single politician I have ever spoken to makes a pretty good account for their reasons for getting into office. Most will happily tell you that the system isn't perfect and that they haven't managed to spend nearly enough time on what they wanted to - but most got into politics for "real" reasons. Running for some sort of office is definitely still in my "maybe" pile.

sd5 wrote:

gender wrote:...the money that the US stands to gain from Haiti....

O yes, the squillions the US planned to make from rebuilding
after generating an earthquake...
Please seek urgent assistance for delusions
or accept that you are an idiot.

you're back being an idiot as you've been most of your life when you're not on medicine, check how much haiti owns us banks already, that country is about to be bought

magma wrote:The biggest, richest and most powerful nations will always be naturally disliked (just like the biggest, richest and most successful football teams)

i know only one country being in this situation and uk is still weak as a runner up. so generalization is wrong
not to mention everybody loves fc barcelona!

nowt wrong with arsenal. fuck, i admire their football and manager.

asif we needed anymore proof that there was foul play involved here, reports are now incoming that Haiti is rich in oil this would explain the military presence in Haiti. to those who say "we're there because we're sorting things out, giving AID, all your conspiracies are mad" i'll put things in perspective. When the Tsunami hit Asia, the US only deployed 15,000 troops to an area stretching from India to Indonesia. The disaster also affected many more people than the disaster in Haiti. Now the US is expecting to deploy over 100,000 troops to Haiti.

/thread

the oil in haiti is what fueled this thread earlier

but i'm sure 99.9% of the people in the world are dope, as rnbasawfdsasc used to put it in some thread
[ i think i'll make a new friend, i overused magma and now he feels like a condom that went through the dishwasher]

alien pimp wrote:the oil in haiti is what fueled this thread earlier

but i'm sure 99.9% of the people in the world are dope, as rnbasawfdsasc used to put it in some thread
[ i think i'll make a new friend, i overused magma and now he feels like a condom that went through the dishwasher]

ah okay. sorry i didn't read it, too many pages *climbs off high horse*

all good, i know people here who claim they read everything an then they show they got everything backwards

because conspiracy theories only count if the US is involved yeah?

LOL.

the UK doesn't have any shady secrets? LOL

^ if you read posts youd see i mentioned uk just as much to blame as well

LOL

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gender wrote:asif we needed anymore proof that there was foul play involved here, reports are now incoming that Haiti is rich in oil this would explain the military presence in Haiti. to those who say "we're there because we're sorting things out, giving AID, all your conspiracies are mad" i'll put things in perspective. When the Tsunami hit Asia, the US only deployed 15,000 troops to an area stretching from India to Indonesia. The disaster also affected many more people than the disaster in Haiti. Now the US is expecting to deploy over 100,000 troops to Haiti.

/thread

100,000! fuck me, have you a link for that info?

hackman wrote:^ if you read posts youd see i mentioned uk just as much to blame as well

LOL

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LOL

you don't want to open up pandora's box hackman. the uk's shady involvement in ireland alone, let alone india would be a 100 page thread. don't throw rocks in glass houses, unless you can clean up the mess.

magma wrote:If you think there's genuine ground to be gained here, then go for it. If you genuinely believe that the US intentionally caused an earthquake killing nigh-on 150,000 people then you've got a busy life ahead, but it'll be worth it... stranger things have been proven, but nothing was ever proven with "unconfirmed reports from unnamed sources".
]You've obviously seen a lot of the world from different angles to me. I've spent a lot of time with big (and some small) companies and I think I have a decent handle on a lot of human motivation. My instinct leads me to think that the more you remove individual identity from proceedings, the less we consider the morality of our actions - therefore the actions of massive PLCs tends to amoralism (not immoralism), they seek profit and don't think twice about morality.

i respect your views, a lot more because you actually offer something to the conversation, rather than just troll

magma wrote:The point that really sticks in my craw with a lot of conspiracy theory is that they often imply there are people out there intentionally causing misery for their own benefit... and try as I might, I have never seen this with my own eyes in industry or government. Everyone I meet is just trying to do their job and go home.

well the iraq war for one, thats only benefiting certain people

magma wrote:As for politicians - every single politician I have ever spoken to makes a pretty good account for their reasons for getting into office. Most will happily tell you that the system isn't perfect and that they haven't managed to spend nearly enough time on what they wanted to - but most got into politics for "real" reasons. Running for some sort of office is definitely still in my "maybe" pile.

the politicians know just as much as us, they dont run the country really, its the bankers, you must be able to see that
so yeah i agree the politicians (most any way, not including the bushes etc) do get into politics for the right reasons

seckle wrote:

hackman wrote:^ if you read posts youd see i mentioned uk just as much to blame as well

LOL

LOL

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you don't want to open up pandora's box hackman. the uk's shady involvement in ireland alone, let alone india would be a 100 page thread. don't throw rocks in glass houses, unless you can clean up the mess.

the box is open, for those who want to see whats in it

gender wrote:asif we needed anymore proof that there was foul play involved here, reports are now incoming that Haiti is rich in oil this would explain the military presence in Haiti. to those who say "we're there because we're sorting things out, giving AID, all your conspiracies are mad" i'll put things in perspective. When the Tsunami hit Asia, the US only deployed 15,000 troops to an area stretching from India to Indonesia. The disaster also affected many more people than the disaster in Haiti. Now the US is expecting to deploy over 100,000 troops to Haiti.

/thread

haiti is about 200 miles from florida. the gulf of thailand is more than 10,000 miles from any shore of the US.
saying that the US has been inextricably involved in the chaos that haiti faces is one thing. the US colonized haiti. no ones disputing that. making some correlation between the aid given to the tsunami, and the aid given to haiti is simply ridiculous. the tsunami damaged a whole region. thousands of miles. the earthquake damaged a 70mile radius. we're closer to haiti, so of course the mobilization is immediate, unlike the tsunami.

contrary to the ignorance being spread here, there's not some law written down that says the US must help everyone the world, whenever mother nature decides to be cruel.

seckle wrote:contrary to the ignorance being spread here, there's not some law written down that says the US must help everyone the world, whenever mother nature decides to be cruel.

contrary to your ignorance US brags about being batman in this world every fucking day on tv

hackman wrote:

seckle wrote:

hackman wrote:^ if you read posts youd see i mentioned uk just as much to blame as well

LOL

LOL

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you don't want to open up pandora's box hackman. the uk's shady involvement in ireland alone, let alone india would be a 100 page thread. don't throw rocks in glass houses, unless you can clean up the mess.

the box is open, for those who want to see whats in it

i keep forgetting who said that quote i used on NSH many times:
in the world politics US is the horse and UK is the carriage with the driver.
i hope it's not from alex jones
which reminds me seckle saw alex jones fans here, but refused to point them out

alien pimp wrote: which reminds me seckle saw alex jones fans here, but refused to point them out

because i don't need to point them out to make my point. i'm not the people pointing fingers at things, highlighting the c grade/elementary school plots and conspiracies.... month in and month out. there's about 15 alex jones related threads on this forum. you'd really like me to dig them out, to stir up even more dirt, but i won't. i like to do things instead of talking about doing things. i've donated my hard earned money to haiti relief. i've been to 3 fundraisers, 2 of which i spent over 12 hours of my time. what have you guys done for haiti? read some more articles about NWO? how about discussing the lack of organization with the NGO's in charge of delivering the aid? how about spreading the word about the different avenues for donations. what about starting pro-active discussions, instead of the same old re-active ones?

its the same fucking broken record. pointing fingers, and making more rhetoric, letting the fear control you.

seckle wrote:

alien pimp wrote: which reminds me seckle saw alex jones fans here, but refused to point them out

because i don't need to point them out to make my point. .

yes you need
you can't hope to make a point using false claims that only prove you don't have the best grip on reality