serious discussion about casual racism in europe

[Dystinkt]

I think in the UK personally, this country does suffer from a lot of groups who take offence on behalf of other people, when the groups thats supposedly offended has said they dont really give a fuck. professional apologists, if you will. I'm very proud of how tolerant this country is of people's choices cultures and ethnicities, but sometimes people take it too far and actually become intolerant ironically

[Func]

I think in the UK personally, this country does suffer from a lot of groups who take offence on behalf of other people, when the groups thats supposedly offended has said they dont really give a fuck. professional apologists, if you will. I'm very proud of how tolerant this country is of people's choices cultures and ethnicities, but sometimes people take it too far and actually become intolerant ironically

Examples please

[butter_man]

all insults have the power to cause damage. If your anti-racist but will laugh and make jokes at someone for something other than skin colour you are closer to the racists than the person your wanting to be thats stands up for such causes.

that may sound terminally dull, if you can't laugh at a fat or ugly person with your friends.

but lets look at this from a humanistic perspective, and not try and seperate sides based on vague differences.

shirts or skins, the fat guy wins.

[hubb]

[butter_man]

racist.

[hubb]

racist.

It's difficult to get what you mean out of that post, but it seems like you believe you're onto something so maybe refrase it?

you sound a little holy there tbh

[butter_man]

no longer should it be on the weight of races, but for all humanity to bear when we crush people. this is an element of human nature that shouldnt be eradicated segragatively but as a whole. it may mean that alot of comedy becomes taboo and there may have to be new ways for you and your mates to amuse yourself but if theres gonna be a cry for banning racism dont stop there take the lot with you.

[hubb]

?????????

[magma]

He's saying stop making jokes based on prejudices; not just racism. It might mean you have to try a little harder to get a laugh, but it would benefit society as a whole to not be permanently exclaiming "IT WAS ONLY A JOKE, OF COURSE I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT!"

I think he's bang on, tbh.

I wonder if one of the sticking points that keep people making the same old, tired jokes about race, gender, sexuality etc is our generation's apparent obsession with being funny. This Internet generation seemingly prizes making people laugh above almost anything and so people who don't actually have much talent for humour can only really get involved socially in places like this by repeating tried and tested jokes and tropes that are guaranteed to get a little snigger. People trying to have conversations that are difficult to make funny get accused of being boring, "putting capes on" or being "holy"... as if holiness could be a bad trait!

[butter_man]

I think he's bang on, tbh.

Thankyou

[hubb]

I think you both might have a point, but noone jokes about racism, they joke about someone having a predujice or they reinfer a standard knowingly or unknowingly, that can then turn racist.

But the important bit to me, is how important joking is. We have to be able to joke about everything, not just socially to be able to breath but to deal with taboo.

Humour is a requisite of intelligence and vica versa, meaning it will also be a part of almost any discussion. But you also get to judge people on their ability to see the fun, aswell as the ability to see the serious...

I literally don't understand what fence it is, that you want to put up.

This Internet generation seemingly prizes making people laugh above almost anything and so people who don't actually have much talent for humour can only really get involved socially in places like this by repeating tried and tested jokes and tropes that are guaranteed to get a little ******.

Nah, its the other way around.. they are socially inept, so they become incapable of prizing or upholding stuff that hasn't been canonised in bold.
I don't really have a problem with that tbh, it's a tad weak or boring, but let me give you an example of what irks me in that respect, where I think it matters.
Like we're on an underground dance music forum and have chosen to do so because we understand what looking around can get you, like the idea of discovering stuff is on. Still, people find the idea of something like an award show rewarding or worthwhile, imo somewhat giving away the authority - that is so key to the principle that lead us here in the first place.
I don't know wether that is a need to have a forum mimic an outside world out of convenience, because judging depends on understanding- and that takes effort.
or
if it's because the language we have in common to judge things with, still somehow belongs to that over-encapsulating but un-nuanced outside.

Nietsche would agree with the first one and Wittgenstein with the second one.

Which is the exact point where I would have to give up, because I don't really have a personal understanding of much but just cling to the bits I've read from either

[nobody]

gaylords

[butter_man]

I think you both might have a point, you were doing good here

but then..
but noone jokes about racism, they joke about someone having a predujice or they reinfer a standard knowingly or unknowingly, that can then turn racist. are you talking about the forum. ..'casual racism in Europe' is the thread. mocking another race; racist humour. either directly at or behind closed doors

But the important bit to me, is how important joking is. We have to be able to joke about everything, not just socially to be able to breath but to deal with taboo.
I'm not disagreeing, but people would have to try harder for laughs if you removed the lowest denominator where racism lies, mentioned earlier

Humour is a requisite of intelligence and vica versa, meaning it will also be a part of almost any discussion. But you also get to judge people on their ability to see the fun, aswell as the ability to see the serious...
thats quite nice. kinda irrelevant by this point. If not understood why see previous quote

I literally don't understand what fence it is, that you want to put up.

insults, targeting appearance, not just that of skin colour or ethnicity can be damaging. dont just tackle racism cos it's the cause du jour, get rid of all forms of bullying, teach people that its not just wrong for one and right for others but its wrong for all and pulling a human being apart should not be considered cricket in this new world we're typing to

I don't know wether that is a need to have a forum mimic an outside world out of convenience, because judging depends on understanding- and that takes effort.
a forum will mimic the outside world in the way that its components, the posters will be based in the real world and as a point of refference will not so much as mimic just virtualise the parts of there personality (though slightly contrived by the lens of self correction relative to the ideals they want to be revered for, even if self deprecating) thus socail structures will be based as would be on the outside if a little askewed by the correction. Judging with error is easy. how this is all relevant though, I dunno
or
if it's because the language we have in common to judge things with, still somehow belongs to that over-encapsulating but un-nuanced outside.
cruelty transcends language

Nietsche would agree. Yeh, I dunno about that. I'm sure he was pretty clear on who he's talking too as his followers. 'but just cling to the bits I've read from either' doesnt sound very Nietzschean protege-like

[magma]

Humour is a requisite of intelligence and vica versa, meaning it will also be a part of almost any discussion.

This is utter rubbish. I love jokes and I love funny people, but no, people need to learn to have conversations without humour occasionally. It's not a requisite of intelligence in the slightest.

I literally don't understand what fence it is, that you want to put up.

Make jokes about the rich wit they contain rather than the cheap misfortune of the target.

For instance, posting a picture of a person with Downs Syndrome using a computer in a "Funny Pictures Thread" should lead to instant social isolation.

[faultier]

political correctness at its worse imo (only read the last few posts, mind)

slippery slope when you start deciding there are things no one is allowed to joke about

one can and should be authorized to joke about anything, just know your audience imo

[scspkr99]

political correctness at its worse imo (only read the last few posts, mind)

slippery slope when you start deciding there are things no one is allowed to joke about

one can and should be authorized to joke about anything, just know your audience imo

So racist jokes are alright if you reckon your audience is racist?

[hubb]

Yeah tbh butter man and magma you are both making a rule book and that's just not on..

I like some of the opinion behind putting it like that, but you are both taking the holy route here.

This is utter rubbish. I love jokes and I love funny people, but no, people need to learn to have conversations without humour occasionally. It's not a requisite of intelligence in the slightest.

Maybe you are right about there being intelligent but non-funny people out there I haven't met any , but intelligence is a requisite for humour in either getting a joke or in being able to hit people with one.

Make jokes about the rich wit they contain rather than the cheap misfortune of the target.

For instance, posting a picture of a person with Downs Syndrome using a computer in a "Funny Pictures Thread" should lead to instant social isolation.

at facelevel maybe but not in reality or in actuality. The tragic nature of something can be heartwarming in the way it forces you to relate and then become absurd to the point where you can only laugh at it.

[hubb]

political correctness at its worse imo (only read the last few posts, mind)

slippery slope when you start deciding there are things no one is allowed to joke about

one can and should be authorized to joke about anything, just know your audience imo

So racist jokes are alright if you reckon your audience is racist?

or able to distinguish what the intention is for fucks sake. You are basicly calling Faultier racist you moron

[scspkr99]

So anyone who has found a joke funny is intelligent?

I guess you pick a criteria by which you may qualify I guess.

[hubb]

Only dealing in absolutes or ridiculous black and white nuances turns people into the thing you're so afraid of them becomming.

Grow up