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Duttier Yuppie wrote:Do you keep it in a cage?

*edit: them, sorry.

They are in a cage as they sleep. During the day, they're free to fly where they please, because their wings aren't clipped. They just choose to sit on your shoulder 99% of the time. The pirates had it right.

my personal beef (no meat-o) is not with the killing. killing and death are part of life. death begets life. everything is balanced that way. the problem is the human tendency to horde all the death. we don't use the death properly. rather than it going back to benefit the system, we keep it for ourselves. so the ecosystem dies, and we grow stronger.
we've got the river dammed.

Parson wrote:my cats get iams cat food. its got meat products in there.
i have no problem with that.

cats are allowed to eat meat. cats are not raping the planet.

I acknowledge that the ratio of cat food purchases against human food are going to be vastly different, however, unless you have a very clever cat, I figure you're adding to this raping of the planet albeit marginally.

To be honest I see where you're coming from, I think a meat eater can still be concerned. I know how inhumane the process of getting the food to my table can be and I'm glad I know. However, it poses a problem for me because I really like meat.

kins83 wrote:

two oh one wrote:

kins83 wrote:

two oh one wrote:

kins83 wrote: But (generally) humans don't eat tiger, or bear. I'd fancy my chances against a chicken or a pig though.

That's not the point. Anything cocky enough to think it's at the top of the food chain whilst gorging on chemically treated meat mass produced in a factory and killed/prepared by other people are NOT at the top of the chain, are they? I mean in the real sense. Being so removed from the actual process and all.



You'd fancy your chances with a pig or chicken were it already cut up and sat between two bits of bread.

I understand your point there. That last sentence is typical preachy vegetarian though. In my humble, meat-eating-savage opinion.

It's fine being preachy in a thread that was made for the veges. What are you expecting in a thread entitled 'vegetarians'?



You're not really a savage if you're not killing the meat yourself. You're just a consumer. I mean, maybe you are in a position to kill your own food, or something? Some people raise animals to eat, but that's different to idly chomping stuff that comes out of one end of this crazy meat industry machine. It's the industry that's fucked.

I'd probably still eat meat were I to have a farm and see to everything myself, but I'm currently in a system where I depend on other's for my food, so I'd prefer to know the consequences of my actions. My head was in the sand for too long.

I'm not in the position where I am able to breed, look after and subsequently slaughter and eat my own animals. Admittedly, that would be ideal. As such, seeing that I have made the choice to eat meat, I try to educate myself as to where my meat has come from and how it has lived.

I agree whole heartedly that there is nothing worse than people shovelling meat into their mouths without having any comprehension or appreciation of what has happened in oder for them to be eating said meat. But meat eaters are not all ignorant tossers who couldn't give a fuck where their food has originated, just as much as vegetarians are not all hemp wearing, chanting, tree hugging hippies.

If you're educated on this thing, then all is well, eh? I'm mean, I'm still reading up on everything I can. I'd love to eat some nice meat, but any modern literature advocating it is somewhat scarce.

Cheers for the responses...I've got to dash now!!

£10 Bag wrote:people that eat meat don't tend to look down on vegetarians so why do vegetarians feel the need to preach and look down on people that eat meat?

sorry to break it to you veggies and vegans, but your shit certainly does stink.

fuck all the trendy americans eating tofu and salad for every meal. i like real food thanks

people that eat meat tend to look at those that don't with a raised brow...and as for vegan, forget it--people say the dumbest shit when they have no idea what they're talking about (talking about other meat-eaters i've encountered--not referring to you).

people that preach are wack--this goes for everything. the you attract more flies with honey then vinegar approach. they give those that stand for something a bad name. i hate associating myself with those that do....just because you stand for something, doesn't mean you have to stand on a soapbox.

as for pets, i have 2 cats that eat regular cat food. my decisions on what to consume are for myself. i know they are mine, however i'm not gonna start fuckin' with that kind of stuff...just let them be as they have been since they were born!

let's face it, what really matters is the fact that every thing you do--big or small--counts. you can't ever not "consume"...so deal with it!

.much.
xxox

one more thing before i run off to the store to buy more catfood:

"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein

Parson wrote:one more thing before i run off to the store to buy more catfood:

Cheeky sod! Glad you're not taking the car.

let's face it, what really matters is the fact that every thing you do--big or small--counts. you can't ever not "consume"...so deal with it!

Indeed - good point.

Einstein wrote: "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

I daresay he'd revise this quote if he was living today.

two oh one wrote:If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

i would but then id be sad cause i know my boyfriend would lose however this would solve the problem and he would have learned his lesson that he is NOT at the top of the foodchain. we are just smart enough and capable of caging up animals and not allowing them to be free and make their own choices. animals dont work, they dont pay bills, etc....they are animals. they live on land and they enjoy the sun(some of them) and the grass(again some of them)...they are kind to us(most of the ones we butcher for food)....i think its fair to say as humans we contradict ourselves in all sorts of ways.

by me saying i will not be feeding my child meat and then saying everyone has a choice may be one of those examples. however i didnt go on to say when she/he grows up they will not be able to eat meat. i cook sometimes now meat dishes for my bf. which means i will have no prob cooking it for my child if he/she tries it sometime and really enjoys it. however. i WILL educate them on the process animals go through to be on the dinner table. and i will enforce that state of looking to other foods to get nutrition. trust me. im not going to cage my child up and tell her/him what and when to eat. hell no. but i will educate them and when theyre smaller....i will feed them a vegetarian diet. who the fuck said you had to feed children meat? thats the same thing there. if i choose to feed my child meat or choose to not feed them meat. either way you look at it, im telling them what to do and not giving them a choice. right? exactlyyyyyyy....so whatever.

in 4 yrs i will have "RD" following my name. and with that title, i will be focusing on vegetarian diet. its a passion in my life that i do care a lot about and want to help ppl get educated and see there are otehr options than meat for dinner. simple.

Parson wrote:"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein

"einstein (may have) said this so it must be right. am i right? i'm right"

perkalerk215 wrote:

two oh one wrote:If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

i would but then id be sad cause i know my boyfriend would lose however this would solve the problem and he would have learned his lesson that he is NOT at the top of the foodchain. we are just smart enough and capable of caging up animals and not allowing them to be free and make their own choices. animals dont work, they dont pay bills, etc....they are animals. they live on land and they enjoy the sun(some of them) and the grass(again some of them)...they are kind to us(most of the ones we butcher for food)....i think its fair to say as humans we contradict ourselves in all sorts of ways.

by me saying i will not be feeding my child meat and then saying everyone has a choice may be one of those examples. however i didnt go on to say when she/he grows up they will not be able to eat meat. i cook sometimes now meat dishes for my bf. which means i will have no prob cooking it for my child if he/she tries it sometime and really enjoys it. however. i WILL educate them on the process animals go through to be on the dinner table. and i will enforce that state of looking to other foods to get nutrition. trust me. im not going to cage my child up and tell her/him what and when to eat. hell no. but i will educate them and when theyre smaller....i will feed them a vegetarian diet. who the fuck said you had to feed children meat? thats the same thing there. if i choose to feed my child meat or choose to not feed them meat. either way you look at it, im telling them what to do and not giving them a choice. right? exactlyyyyyyy....so whatever.

in 4 yrs i will have "RD" following my name. and with that title, i will be focusing on vegetarian diet. its a passion in my life that i do care a lot about and want to help ppl get educated and see there are otehr options than meat for dinner. simple.

Just sit down and watch 'eating' with him.



I'm simply amazed that the people I know who have watched this went from their usual ways into being a strict vegan after watching it. More hardcore than I was. I went from vegetarian to vegan after it. People where I work who are hearing about it now are afraid of watching it because they know it's going to change them.

People fear change, is all.

When I went vege, I just imagined I was in a foreign country (Well, another foreign country) and had to discover new things to eat. That made it a bit more fun.

Now, I'm having to do that all over again - Diligently checking to make sure that there's no milk or eggs. It's sort of fun. Kinda.

showguns wrote:"einstein (may have) said this so it must be right. am i right? i'm right"

It's all relative.

Perk RD - cheers for the explanation.

I really am out of here now!

vegitables? i eat chips
salad in a burger.
i eat alota fruit doe

cokaine

ragazza bassa wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:people that eat meat don't tend to look down on vegetarians so why do vegetarians feel the need to preach and look down on people that eat meat?

sorry to break it to you veggies and vegans, but your shit certainly does stink.

fuck all the trendy americans eating tofu and salad for every meal. i like real food thanks

people that eat meat tend to look at those that don't with a raised brow...and as for vegan, forget it--people say the dumbest shit when they have no idea what they're talking about (talking about other meat-eaters i've encountered--not referring to you).

people that preach are wack--this goes for everything. the you attract more flies with honey then vinegar approach. they give those that stand for something a bad name. i hate associating myself with those that do....just because you stand for something, doesn't mean you have to stand on a soapbox.

as for pets, i have 2 cats that eat regular cat food. my decisions on what to consume are for myself. i know they are mine, however i'm not gonna start fuckin' with that kind of stuff...just let them be as they have been since they were born!

let's face it, what really matters is the fact that every thing you do--big or small--counts. you can't ever not "consume"...so deal with it!

.much.
xxox

fair one, i see where you're coming from.

i don't have a problem with veggies, that would be ridiculous.
i just don't like people trying to tell me that meat is bad and i'm a bad person for eating it. most veggies don't come out and say this, they beat around the bush by first stating how fantastic people that DON'T eat meat are, then trying to make you feel guilty for eating battery farmed chicken.

yes, animals are treated horribly, yes they are slaughtered brutally, but what about the vegetables? how do you know that vegetables don't have feelings too? i know when i'm on acid i think trees can talk to me.

yeah, meat is bad quality, but you'd be a fool to think most vegetables are good quality. do you think those parsnips you bought from tesco are organically grown, fair trade, good shit? nope they're grown in a fuck-off huge field owned by a near-bankrupt farmer, sprayed with pestecides and probably genetically modified, picked by polish workers getting paid £2.50 an hour, then carted 2000 miles around the country til they end up 2 miles down the road from you in tesco.

unless you're growing your own vegetables, or buying local produce from reliable sources that are operating fairly and don't use pestecides or GM, you're no better than any of us meat eaters at the end of the day in my opinion.

to get top quality, gm free, fair trade, tasty food consistently, you'd have to take it so seriously and spend half of your life worrying about what you're going to eat next. maybe this is why so many people get in your face ''I EAT HEALTHY! - SALAD IS KING!'', because it takes up half their life and they feel the need to tell people about it.

still, each to their own. i've been having debates about vegetarianism with one of my best mates who is a veggie - one thing is for sure, food is good, we can all agree on that surely?

perkalerk215 wrote:animals dont work, they dont pay bills, etc....they are animals. they live on land and they enjoy the sun

i'm sorry, but WE are animals too, lest we forget, and we work and pay bills etc.
its taken up millions of years to get to the top of the food chain, might as well take advantage of it.

I have two parrots, they eat seeds, pellets, vegetables, fruit, pasta, cheese or anything I can come up with as long as it's not dangerous for them. They spend their time in the cage only when they're sleeping, most of the time they like to hang out with me.

But I wonder why all the threads about vegetarian food always become about something else. I don't think anyone here is preaching to be know-it-all and morally somehow remarkably better than everyone else in every instance. Surely a Christian mother would also teach her beliefs to her children, too. As long as they get to make their own choices when they choose to, it's fine. No one will be able to bring up children without (unconsciously or consciously) teaching them some of their morals, too.

Why is it instantly regarded as preaching to be honest about your choices in a thread that at least seems to be aimed at vegetarians? To me it seems like it is more a reflection of the meat eater's general ideas of vegetarians, just like the concept of "real food".

einstein was a pretty clued in fellow

i'm a fan anyway

10...
i agree 100% with all that you have said...you hit it right.

i guess people would have a problem with where i stand on things because of the fact that i don't consume any animal products--for food, but damn, i still crave bacon and other things that i don't eat. italian family, good cooking, it's what i was raised on...i chose not to put it in my body though and thats just for me at the end of the day. i wont touch the leather and fur topic because that's just too much...but let's just say, i'm not against leather or wool like many others.
we rely on each other and the earth's gifts...no matter how much meat you "dont eat" you can't get away from that fact. this isn't really anything more then an ethical dilemma that can go on in circles forever.

and like they say, those that don't eat meat taste better!!!!:o
all food for thought!

.much.
xxox