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hubb wrote: or able to distinguish what the intention is for fucks sake. You are basicly calling Faultier racist you moron

That's not what he said you fucking dickhead

hubb wrote:Only dealing in absolutes or ridiculous black and white nuances turns people into the thing you're so afraid of them becomming.

Grow up

Here's a thought go read some nietzsche or wittgenstein and tell us just what they meant in relation to dsf you fucking clown

us

ok

hubb wrote:ridiculous black

Disgustingly racist, Hubb.

scspkr99 wrote:

hubb wrote: or able to distinguish what the intention is for fucks sake. You are basicly calling Faultier racist you moron

That's not what he said you fucking dickhead

its exactly what he said and then you went over everybodys head and invented a peer group of racists that you assume faultier must have roaming around to be able to support his claim

It's goin down ♫

hubb wrote:its exactly what he said and then you went over everybodys head and invented a peer group of racists that you assume faultier must have roaming around to be able to support his claim

to clarify

faultier wrote:one can and should be authorized to joke about anything, just know your audience imo

scspkr99 wrote:So racist jokes are alright if you reckon your audience is racist?

How can I be calling Faultier a racist when I am asking him a question. You want to get basic fucking comprehension right before you start extending yourself

By lumping him in with the only group of people you can imagine, that could get anything out of a racist joke.

It's not like subject matter has to directly relate to the group of people you are telling the joke to, is it? ¨

Do you think plumbers only joke about pipes ?... I don't think you do ofcourse, but this seems to be the level of communication you can comprehend atm.

scspkr99 wrote:

faultier wrote:political correctness at its worse imo (only read the last few posts, mind)

slippery slope when you start deciding there are things no one is allowed to joke about

one can and should be authorized to joke about anything, just know your audience imo

So racist jokes are alright if you reckon your audience is racist?

any "offensive" joke is alright if you reckon you're not going to offend your audience

or can you not relate to a case where the exact same racist/misogynist/homophobic/whathaveyou joke told by one of your mates would be innocuous but would be offensive if told by some random you don't know?

also @the holier than thou crowd, if y'all ever watched an episode of south park/family guy/archer/[insert politically incorrect comedy du jour] and laughed i'd say y'all qualify as hypocrites

faultier wrote: or can you not relate to a case where the exact same racist/misogynist/homophobic/whathaveyou joke told by one of your mates would be innocuous but would be offensive if told by some random you don't know?

Not really, firstly as a straight white male I'm not in a position where I can tell those jokes, they aren't available to me nor do I want them. If a mate told me a joke that was directed at a group, one of those subjected to the kinds of bigotry PC tries to address, then I'd think less of them. Our use of humour reflects attitudes if we are finding these distinctions funny, between the people we are and the people we aren't then it reflects poorly on us. It's context I think in a society where women aren't discriminated against or black people aren't or gay people aren't then sound but this isn't the case.

faultier wrote:any "offensive" joke is alright if you reckon you're not going to offend your audience

what if you are wrong, in any case if it offends your audience it seems less than okay and if it doesn't offend your audience because they agree with the misogynistic/racist/homophobic sentiments then that seems less than okay as well

hubb wrote:By lumping him in with the only group of people you can imagine, that could get anything out of a racist joke.

It's not like subject matter has to directly relate to the group of people you are telling the joke to, is it? ¨

Do you think plumbers only joke about pipes ?... I don't think you do ofcourse, but this seems to be the level of communication you can comprehend atm.

I have no interest in discussing anything with you, you still don't get the point of asking someone a question.

you know just because your black/gay/whatever doesn't automatically means you're going to clutch your pearls and be offended by a racist/homophobic joke?
and just because you find a racist joke funny it doesn't automatically mean you're a racist?

or maybe we should define what is meant by "racist" or "homophobic" here

tbh i think you know full well what i'm on about and just try to argue for the sake of it

But m8 you are offended by everything right now, even a casual slightly joking reference to some philosophers words on socializing...

Don't you think it could put too much weight on people around you, I mean having to worry about what offends you ?

I think you need to develop a bit harder skin, because the aim of a joke that is offensive is often to tell people how absurd notions like for example racism is.

faultier wrote:you know just because your black/gay/whatever doesn't automatically means you're going to clutch your pearls and be offended by a racist/homophobic joke?
and just because you find a racist joke funny it doesn't automatically mean you're a racist?

or maybe we should define what is meant by "racist" or "homophobic" here

tbh i think you know full well what i'm on about and just try to argue for the sake of it

I'm not actually having a pop at you I just disagree, I'd be concerned by the motivations of the joke teller, I've laughed at some fucking outrageous jokes, just because they are offensive doesn't make them not funny but what makes them funny is often the types of stereotypes that we should be looking to dismantle rather than reinforce. I'm sure they can be done well but I don't actually recall racist jokes told by white comics where the comic isn't a tnuc.

Maybe if you can remind me of a couple I'll review my position.

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scspkr99 wrote:

hubb wrote:By lumping him in with the only group of people you can imagine, that could get anything out of a racist joke.

It's not like subject matter has to directly relate to the group of people you are telling the joke to, is it? ¨

Do you think plumbers only joke about pipes ?... I don't think you do ofcourse, but this seems to be the level of communication you can comprehend atm.

I have no interest in discussing anything with you, you still don't get the point of asking someone a question.

ok, but you were the one who came in all offended and tried to be a part of the discussion. Sorry if trying to clear it up for you, was way out of line I can see that

white comedian: check
stereotypes about women: check
stereotypes about jews: check
stereotypes about irish people: check

i find it funny though, and really don't think the guy is either misogynistic or antisemitic or racist

I'll watch it when I get home and I'll accept I'm wrong if I agree.

However I do disagree with butter man, I don't really care about characteristics of people being laughed at when those characteristics aren't used to discriminate between people, hence the red headed jokes thing doesn't bother me but when those distinctions are used to discriminate I generally think they are better left.

I'll watch it later and see what I think.

I like some of the opinion behind putting it like that, but you are both taking the holy route here.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with being holy? Is it really unacceptable to try and be a nice person and not ignorantly spread bigotry in the name of the lulz?

Incidentally, I wouldn't say you've often (if ever) been guilty of what I'm describing. You have my utmost respect for your contributions, funny or otherwise.

Maybe you are right about there being intelligent but non-funny people out there I haven't met any , but intelligence is a requisite for humour in either getting a joke or in being able to hit people with one.

Hi, my name's Simon and I struggle with the funnies. Honestly, I do. I love humour and I love trying to make jokes, but I'm not very good at it and I fail to spot when others are trying all the time. I've never once considered becoming a comedian and most of the conversations I most fondly remember in my lifetime have been largely humourless. I lost count of the amount of serious conversations I've tried to have here when it's transpired that someone was just in it for the lolz (See the conversation with wub a few weeks ago where he was joking about being Jewish to derail my conversation about folk music). It's one of the more disappointing experiences this place offers on a regular basis and it's one of the main reasons I toy with leaving for good. I love gallows humour when it's witty, but I absolutely can't stand the sort of primary school, point-and-laugh humour that I often get confronted with when trying to dig deeply into what I consider a subject worthy of sensible conversation.

For instance, posting a picture of a person with Downs Syndrome using a computer in a "Funny Pictures Thread" should lead to instant social isolation.

at facelevel maybe but not in reality or in actuality. The tragic nature of something can be heartwarming in the way it forces you to relate and then become absurd to the point where you can only laugh at it.

Then it contains wit and is as a joke - it's all about target and subject. If a joke that seems 'racist' on the surface's target is actually the racist, rather than the race, then have at it - jokes can be made on any subject, absolutely. I've got no problem with any of the lines written for Alf Garnet or Uncle Ruckus, for example because they're satirising racism, not glorifying it with humour.

That's not to say that racist jokes can't be funny either. They can. But rape is also pleasurable for one side of the transaction and I don't condone that either.

What I'm referring to was fairly nicely illustrated with the Downs Syndrome picture posted today. The only "humour" in there is that it's hilarious to think that people with Downs Syndrome must be shit with computers. That's not clever wit, it's just offensive bigotry.