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scspkr99 wrote:have you read any of John McDowell on Wittgenstein?

One of the philosophers I generally prefer to go to secondary sources.

I haven't but I'll check it out! I actually really enjoy reading 'secondary sources' of philosophy. Its definitely as enjoyable, if not more so, than reading original philosophical texts.

hubb wrote:Anyone read the new Naomi Klein yet?

Looking forward to that.
She's basicly stating that the world will be destroyed in a decade or two if we don't rid ourselves of capitalism now.

I might check it out eventually, got a lot to read atm.. keep starting things and not finishing them. It'd be interesting to see how it differs from other books, seems in 2014 writing a book on capitalism vs climate is a little late to the party; theres already been a huge amount written on the topic. Even before climate issues there has always been the idea of a 'finite world' and its conflict with endless accumulation.

Muncey wrote: I haven't but I'll check it out! I actually really enjoy reading 'secondary sources' of philosophy. Its definitely as enjoyable, if not more so, than reading original philosophical texts.

Mind Value and Reality is the one

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php? ... 0674007130

It's sections where McDowell represents Wittgenstein's later work I found essential to understanding him. It's not particularly historical but treats the subject from the perspective of contemporary philosophy.

Muncey wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:have you read any of John McDowell on Wittgenstein?

One of the philosophers I generally prefer to go to secondary sources.

I haven't but I'll check it out! I actually really enjoy reading 'secondary sources' of philosophy. Its definitely as enjoyable, if not more so, than reading original philosophical texts.

The ironic bit is that Wittgensteins philosophy (and imo genious) centers around knowing the subject first hand. The Descartes statement 'I think, therefore I am' is the driving force in Ws philosophy aswell - but further evolved, stating that if you don't have language or a term for a specific principle it simply doesn't exist. Meaning that thought is dependent on having language attached to it. So read the original

hubb wrote:Anyone read the new Naomi Klein yet?

Looking forward to that.
She's basicly stating that the world will be destroyed in a decade or two if we don't rid ourselves of capitalism now.

I might check it out eventually, got a lot to read atm.. keep starting things and not finishing them. It'd be interesting to see how it differs from other books, seems in 2014 writing a book on capitalism vs climate is a little late to the party; theres already been a huge amount written on the topic. Even before climate issues there has always been the idea of a 'finite world' and its conflict with endless accumulation.

I'm 30 pages in and it's all ready a must read. It's quite positive too, surprisingly.

hubb wrote:It's quite positive too, surprisingly.

Maybe thats the difference from other books then lol. The stuff I've read mostly concludes getting rid of capitalism/consumerism or we're doomed. Pretty much an apocalyptic view.

yeah totally

She's one of the better humans we have tbh.

L. Ron Hubbard - Scientology: A History of Man

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I'm a big Sherlock Holmes fan so I got a new book called Moriarty.

Iain Banks
the busyness


as good as any of his other ones that are all amazing

this one is about illuminaty type stuff but not clicheed at all, very realistic but entertaining..

rockonin wrote:I'm a big Sherlock Holmes fan so I got a new book called Moriarty.

I've been seeing that around. I'm a huge fan of the original stuff but I've got a distrust of the newer bits i've been seeing around.

Let me know if its holds up to the original vibe

Finally finished sickness unto death by Kierkegaard, took me ages, reading it felt like i was having a stroke.

Got a huge backlog of books to get through after Christmas, think i'll probably read the age of reason by sartre or the plague by camu next.

Got this for xmas, enjoyable so far. Still trying to figure out why the comedic process is so interesting.

dear mason have some nietsche and wittgenstein instead

maybe some of the german berlin school guys

that other stuff is stuff you would already have had an idea about

camus can basically fuck off imo and i haven't even read his stuff lol

kitten, but for real ^

Let me put it another way.

The existentialist stuff is usually the bit, people asking themself huge questions tend to think they need to know about. In that sence Kirkegård is great and deep, but a whole lot of the other newer existentialist stuff becomes trite psychology pop instead, because they don't pose the necessary planes to take it somewhere else. It's navel gazing... except in very few occasions, like when Wittgenstein convinces his reader that to even begin to conceptualize anything out of the abstract (bringing a thought alive) you need to have a counterpart in an actual word - term. Which takes the old 'I think therefore I am' -thing a step further, meaning he forces existentialism itself onto terms and concepts and in that sence, develop a language for it. Most other existentialists will just tell you that an idea is a flower or something.

Just saying.

haha why don't you like camus? myth of sisyphus is probably my favourite book i've read not that i've read many ha.

I've got thus spoke zarathustra in the to read pile, what wittgenstein would you reccomend?

try and get your head round tractatus.
next time I give it a go i'm gonna need a guide.
3.414 I think it was I got up to. something to do with the wording had me read it again and again until I gave up. wouldn't go past till it made sense and alas..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractatus_ ... losophicus

apparently his only book length philosophical work.

wikipedia wrote:Wittgenstein concluded that the Tractatus had resolved all philosophical problems

will check it out

give heidegger a go as well.
never read any of his books but listened to a bunch of lectures addressing his theories.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/itunes-u/ph ... 0554?mt=10

only got up to the 8th lecture need to get back on it now.

dont know if i can figure out what they are called in english tbh

if you do run into some of it
just skip around a bit and see if it clicks


just noticed i said the same thing about w a page ago