Untrue - your thoughts

[jim]

Donald Mumsfeld

[misk]

whoa whoa whoa guys... lets all just chill...

... have a coke:


and yeah, i really dont know who burial is, but i like to believe that he's just a guy who makes beats, and wants to be out of the limelight. more power to him

[brother loves dub]

Maybe your mum and Donald Rumsfeld are the same person?

my mom and donald rumsfeld have never been seen together....hmm...Mumsfeld FTW!

i'm chill, just some playful banter, nothing scortched.

[poseidon]

Also downloading a song is not really directly comparable to making a new piece of music out of a sample is it?

Let's examine this statement. If the new piece of music is sold that includes an unlicensed sample or samples of a song/film than the producer is essentially profiting off of the work of another. If someone downloads a song they are not necessarily profiting but are saving money and denying the producer a potential sale.

In order to be logically and ethically consistent both practices should be seen as unethical regardless of the results. I mean just because an artist is on a major label does not mean they have tons of cash and if they did the work payment for usage of samples for their work would be appreciated- i am sure.

In other words you can't have your cake and eat it too.


As far as large labels finding out what samples burial may have used on this recording- well burial is now high profile because of the remix he did for bloc party and the sales and press for this record are in the range that
the large labels start looking for uncleared samples(if there are any) whether or not we talk about it on dubstepforum


That being said this album is great and I approve of his sampling techniques wholeheartedly. IMO Copywrite/ IP law needs to catch up with our century.

[xor]

yeah, i've got a friend who swears Kode9 and Burial are the same person. can anybody prove 100% that this isn't true?

i've been skeptical that Kode9 and Burial are the same person but i can't come up with a better alternative.

The debut sleeve says it was engineered by Kode9. The Kode9 interview with Buria says Kode9 picked the tracks from over 6 years worth of work...so how did Kode9 engineer them?

Master them maybe.

[masstronaut]

Also downloading a song is not really directly comparable to making a new piece of music out of a sample is it?

Let's examine this statement. If the new piece of music is sold that includes an unlicensed sample or samples of a song/film than the producer is essentially profiting off of the work of another. If someone downloads a song they are not necessarily profiting but are saving money and denying the producer a potential sale.

In order to be logically and ethically consistent both practices should be seen as unethical regardless of the results. I mean just because an artist is on a major label does not mean they have tons of cash and if they did the work payment for usage of samples for their work would be appreciated- i am sure.

In other words you can't have your cake and eat it too.


As far as large labels finding out what samples burial may have used on this recording- well burial is now high profile because of the remix he did for bloc party and the sales and press for this record are in the range that
the large labels start looking for uncleared samples(if there are any) whether or not we talk about it on dubstepforum


That being said this album is great and I approve of his sampling techniques wholeheartedly. IMO Copywrite/ IP law needs to catch up with our century.

This isn't about the ethics of sampling or p2p, it's just about not being a knob-end.

The reason I say that downloading and sampling are not comparable is that I would place the value of art above commerce. In an ideal world maybe all art would be free, however that could be made possible.

The artistic merits or otherwise of sampling is a discussion that has been going on ever since someone first said that hip-hop was not real music so let's not get into it here.

[masstronaut]

yeah, i've got a friend who swears Kode9 and Burial are the same person. can anybody prove 100% that this isn't true?

i've been skeptical that Kode9 and Burial are the same person but i can't come up with a better alternative.

The debut sleeve says it was engineered by Kode9. The Kode9 interview with Buria says Kode9 picked the tracks from over 6 years worth of work...so how did Kode9 engineer them?

Master them maybe.

XOR - he's taking the piss.

I think on the Burial album it says that the Spaceape vocal is engineered by Kode 9, that's all.

[poseidon]

Also downloading a song is not really directly comparable to making a new piece of music out of a sample is it?

Let's examine this statement. If the new piece of music is sold that includes an unlicensed sample or samples of a song/film than the producer is essentially profiting off of the work of another. If someone downloads a song they are not necessarily profiting but are saving money and denying the producer a potential sale.

In order to be logically and ethically consistent both practices should be seen as unethical regardless of the results. I mean just because an artist is on a major label does not mean they have tons of cash and if they did the work payment for usage of samples for their work would be appreciated- i am sure.

In other words you can't have your cake and eat it too.


As far as large labels finding out what samples burial may have used on this recording- well burial is now high profile because of the remix he did for bloc party and the sales and press for this record are in the range that
the large labels start looking for uncleared samples(if there are any) whether or not we talk about it on dubstepforum


That being said this album is great and I approve of his sampling techniques wholeheartedly. IMO Copywrite/ IP law needs to catch up with our century.

This isn't about the ethics of sampling or p2p, it's just about not being a knob-end.

The reason I say that downloading and sampling are not comparable is that I would place the value of art above commerce. In an ideal world maybe all art would be free, however that could be made possible.

The artistic merits or otherwise of sampling is a discussion that has been going on ever since someone first said that hip-hop was not real music so let's not get into it here.

Well you asked the question you got an answer. I did not mention the artistic merits of sampling at at all where did you see that in what I wrote?

[xor]

yeah, i've got a friend who swears Kode9 and Burial are the same person. can anybody prove 100% that this isn't true?

i've been skeptical that Kode9 and Burial are the same person but i can't come up with a better alternative.

The debut sleeve says it was engineered by Kode9. The Kode9 interview with Buria says Kode9 picked the tracks from over 6 years worth of work...so how did Kode9 engineer them?

Master them maybe.

XOR - he's taking the piss.

I think on the Burial album it says that the Spaceape vocal is engineered by Kode 9, that's all.

On the vinyl it does, but on the front of the cd I'm pretty sure it just says engineered by Kode9 with no reference to a particular track. I have no opinion on it actually, it was just something I noticed.

[masstronaut]

Well you asked the question you got an answer. I did not mention the artistic merits of sampling at at all where did you see that in what I wrote?

It was something you left out of your 'logical' analysis in reducing it all down to commerce and legalities.

My original question was rhetorical and aimed at someone else anyway.

[1 unlimited]

i thought this is the official burial pic?

http://www.die-monster.com/?p=338

[shonky]

i thought this is the official burial pic?

http://www.die-monster.com/?p=338

"Aside from Burial and a few other exceptions, I feel like dubstep really shit the bed over this last year. The genre’s least interesting elements—bass pressure and rasta skank—became cornerstones of the new track “formula,” and the results of have been incredibly boring.

Case and point: the new Soul Jazz compilation, Box Of Dub. Jesus Christ is that stuff serious. I think it might very well beat out IDM as world’s most pretentious music."

[xor]

The genre’s least interesting elements—bass pressure and rasta skank..."

You're being sarcastic yes?

[shonky]

The genre’s least interesting elements—bass pressure and rasta skank..."

You're being sarcastic yes?

Nope.

[dj phonetic]

This afternoon i did a little nap while listening Untrue. Damn that album is big!! You keep on descovering things in the music. And the vocals look very cheaky but they are manipulated to the bone, lovin that

[xor]

The genre’s least interesting elements—bass pressure and rasta skank..."

You're being sarcastic yes?

Nope.

Oh.
Bass pressure least interesting? It's what I'm here for.

[shonky]

The genre’s least interesting elements—bass pressure and rasta skank..."

You're being sarcastic yes?

Nope.

Oh.
Bass pressure least interesting? It's what I'm here for.

I like the bass, I just don't think it's the be-all and end-all. Which is probably why there's not a great deal of dubstep that I've been buying recently. Mind you I came in from garage, so there's not much of the original sound left unfortunately.

People really need to make their drums more interesting

[kris]

wow

[utopian]

all in all this is an album that crosses over, so can sit comfortably in a Kode9 mix, and in the CD players of people who are unaware of the phenomenon of Dubstep

Yes, this is an interesting thing. It has subtle complexities lurking beneath the somewhat infectious vocals, and yet it also has a sense of instant vocal appeal. So it "crosses over" as it is said, but without it being a watered-down version of a particular type of music.

[dubluke]

finally got this album yesterday - beautiful, gotta say i haven't been this blown away by an album since my uncle got me axis:bold as love for my 14th birthday, just puttin it on and lying back on my bed to hear it is bliss

sorry for sounding bare pretentious and sycophantic but i really think its the one