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Rönin wrote:

computerface wrote:

Rönin wrote:I think depression is a pseudo-sickness invented by the western man because he has nothing else to complain about (open fire, flame me etc etc etc)

Dude...

http://www.akimbocomics.com/?p=573

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

Depression is a mental disorder, just as schizophrenia, bipolar, and obsessive-compulsive are. Sure, you get a lot of people saying "i'm so depressed right now" or "lol i'm so ocd i have to have my clothes arranged just right", but they're just idiots belittling actual disorders that cause actual, severe damage to people's lives. Until you know somebody who committed suicide because they had depression for months and nobody did anything other than tell them to "snap out of it" or have had nervous breakdowns because they had OCD and spent hours literally trying to get a single obsessive thought out of their mind, don't pass judgment on these things like that.

I've been involved with deeply depressive people very close to me and I know my statement is reductive and may seem uneducated (though I've had advanced psychology/criminology classes) but I still think the biggest problem of civilised people is that they have too much freedom to choose what to do with their lives and they get lost in it. I think culture influences mental disorders and the way you approach them. One particular man used to tell me his life was going nowhere and he wanted to hang himself, he was on Xanax for 10+ years and seeing a psychologist. Couldn't help but think it was typical to resort to such things when you can set your mind straight by constantly reminding yourself that you can do whatever you want (it was his case), that you are a result of pure luck and that there are ALWAYS people somewhere who would kill to have your life.
Maybe there is something chemical to it, maybe it's not just a though process, but shit man you can travel, interact with people from all over the world, you have everything you need materialy... If you have problems in your relationship to people you can sort it out, if you have problems in your relationship to yourself, tell yourself you are someone and that's already something

how can you say that and also chat the other bollocks you are talking? does the fact that what we call "mental disorders" are culturally and socially situated and maybe even caused, mean that you can think your way out of them? even if something is not an illness, that does not mean it can be resolved purely through some particular mental activity.

do you not think depressed people have ever heard this shit before?

wow you can travel, interact with people, cool! (except actually even in western societies a lot of people can't - there are various reasons why people become socially isolated and there are actually poor people in these countries who can't even afford food let alone travel. hell, they can't even afford to pay for a passport).

you are just listing these things as if they are easy and as if a state of depression is something that can you can just think your way out of. you'll mention CBT here but CBT is a contentious treatment and ineffective in severe cases. things that cause depression, like trauma etc, change the structure and operation of the brain, in a real physical sense. of COURSE there is "something chemical to it". everything that happens in your mind is biologically, neurally situated.

depression is a heterogeneous disease with varying etiologies, presentations and *severities*. chalking the entire phenomenon up to this explanation is fundamentally ridiculous.

please i beg you go up to someone who is catatonic or psychotic and tell them to "tell themselves they are something".

you need to take more psychology classes i think

Once again that list was related to the one person I was talking about. I wasn't making a generality out of it. I shouldn't have tried to talk about it in english, let's just leave it at that

its hard to explain to people who've never experienced it. the biggest misconception about depression is that it's a sadness that can be cured by going outside or experiencing something positive. its nothing to do with being sad or down, its more of an extreme emotional numbness coupled with a crippling lack of motivation, its not a case of needing to be cheered up, treating depression isn't even remotely similar to treating sadness

Rönin wrote:

computerface wrote:

Rönin wrote:I think depression is a pseudo-sickness invented by the western man because he has nothing else to complain about (open fire, flame me etc etc etc)

Dude...

http://www.akimbocomics.com/?p=573

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

Depression is a mental disorder, just as schizophrenia, bipolar, and obsessive-compulsive are. Sure, you get a lot of people saying "i'm so depressed right now" or "lol i'm so ocd i have to have my clothes arranged just right", but they're just idiots belittling actual disorders that cause actual, severe damage to people's lives. Until you know somebody who committed suicide because they had depression for months and nobody did anything other than tell them to "snap out of it" or have had nervous breakdowns because they had OCD and spent hours literally trying to get a single obsessive thought out of their mind, don't pass judgment on these things like that.

That was more to get flamed if anything haha, here's my 2p though

I've been involved with deeply depressive people very close to me and I know this opinion is reductive and may seem uneducated (though I've had advanced psychology/criminology classes) but I still think the biggest problem of civilised people is that they have too much freedom to choose what to do with their lives and they get lost in it. I think culture influences mental disorders and the way you approach them. One particular man used to tell me his life was going nowhere and he wanted to hang himself, he was on Xanax for 10+ years and seeing a psychologist. Couldn't help but think it was typical to resort to such things when you can set your mind straight by constantly reminding yourself that you can do whatever you want (it was his case), that you are a result of pure luck and that there are ALWAYS people somewhere who would kill to have your life.
Maybe there is something chemical to it, maybe it's not just a though process, but shit man you can travel, interact with people from all over the world, you have everything you need materialy... If you have problems in your relationship to people you can sort it out, if you have problems in your relationship to yourself, tell yourself you are someone and that's already something

Certainly, culture influences how we view disorders. I read an article on Cracked.com a while back, in which the author voiced the opinion that the sudden onslaught of depression in Western culture is primarily caused by overexposure in children to media that is, essentially, the escapist fantasies of adults - that since so many kids grew up believing that they would be rock stars, superheroes, whatever, that life as an adult would be awesome, they go through a rather traumatic disillusionment after arriving at adulthood and realizing that life is actually really hard.

Now, that might seem rather pathetic to people who have tangible problems - those suffering from starvation, homelessness, disease, countless other things - but the fact remains that it is an actual disorder, that you can't just snap out of. You can't just dismiss somebody's problems because you think their life is too good to provide any space for whining.

Rönin wrote:Once again that list was related to the one person I was talking about. I wasn't making a generality out of it. I shouldn't have tried to talk about it in english, let's just leave it at that

i was gonna stay out of this because i knew it would just annoy me so apologies for how ragey that post sounded, but yeah.

overdiagnosis is a problem. the entire biopsychiatric paradigm is a problem.

there are really productive ways of looking at depression as a social fact e.g. http://www.newleftreview.org/II/71/will ... nhappiness

but i really cannot stand this strand of thought that jumps from the idea of depression as not a clear cut disease like a brain tumour, to the idea that depression is simply a matter of the way you think. it's complex, and a great deal of it is bodily - appetite, sleep, energy.

being on xanax for ten years is fucked up and stupid but that is big pharma for you.

Hey guys, want to play pogs?

This is a thread for unpopular opinions, not uninformed and disrespectful ones...

Depression is very, very real. I think there are some people that may think they're depressed when they're not but I have seen true depression at first hand, and it is nothing to belittle.

dubfordessert wrote:

Rönin wrote:Once again that list was related to the one person I was talking about. I wasn't making a generality out of it. I shouldn't have tried to talk about it in english, let's just leave it at that

i was gonna stay out of this because i knew it would just annoy me so apologies for how ragey that post sounded, but yeah.

overdiagnosis is a problem. the entire biopsychiatric paradigm is a problem.

there are really productive ways of looking at depression as a social fact e.g. http://www.newleftreview.org/II/71/will ... nhappiness

but i really cannot stand this strand of thought that jumps from the idea of depression as not a clear cut disease like a brain tumour, to the idea that depression is simply a matter of the way you think. it's complex, and a great deal of it is bodily - appetite, sleep, energy.

being on xanax for ten years is fucked up and stupid but that is big pharma for you.

No worries, I think it's clear I'm uninformed on the subject and should look into it more. My bad.

@herbs: I don't think I've been disrespectful and if I have, my sincerest apologies to everyone concerned

pikeymobile wrote:its hard to explain to people who've never experienced it. the biggest misconception about depression is that it's a sadness that can be cured by going outside or experiencing something positive. its nothing to do with being sad or down, its more of an extreme emotional numbness coupled with a crippling lack of motivation, its not a case of needing to be cheered up, treating depression isn't even remotely similar to treating sadness

Well put, Pikey!

herbs wrote:This is a thread for unpopular opinions, not uninformed and disrespectful ones...

Depression is very, very real. I think there are some people that may think they're depressed when they're not but I have seen true depression at first hand, and it is nothing to belittle.

all of this.

The mans apologized we dont need to keep this going, this thread will just end up getting locked

Fancy sandwich fillings are generally disappointing.

Ham, Cheese & Branston Pickle > *

i don't like pickle

magma wrote:Fancy sandwich fillings are generally disappointing.

Ham, Cheese & Branston Pickle > *

Must be small chunk pickle in a sandwich though!

PinUp wrote:

magma wrote:Fancy sandwich fillings are generally disappointing.

Ham, Cheese & Branston Pickle > *

Must be small chunk pickle in a sandwich though!

Agreed.

pikeymobile wrote:i don't like pickle

Get out of my sandwich shop.

these sweet pickles you get on this island are a fucking abomination

dill pickles >>>>>

No probs Rönin...I'd had a few beers and was feelin feisty! haha I know you didn't mean it like that

*grouphugsmiley*

bela wrote:these sweet pickles you get on this island are a fucking abomination

dill pickles >>>>>

ahhhh you must be buying cornichons

you need



get em from the kosher section of any supermarket

herbs, you need to make that avatar a little bigger