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Conservative-ism is really about preserving traditional practices. That's what the word is, the way it's used doesn't change that.

jesslem wrote:Conservative-ism is really about preserving traditional practices. That's what the word is, the way it's used doesn't change that.

I thought the Conservative party were a group of boring tnucs who like making conserve jams.

Blah blah blah capitalism is human nature

I love how "liberals" vs. "conservatives" gets hyped so hard when basically it is "neo-liberal capitalist socioconservatives" vs. "neo-liberal capitalist socioconservatives with a grain of xenophobia".

"make your choice", democracy is working.

You guys are killing the thread with the boring politcal talk

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The moment DSF realizes that that true capitalism starts with self-ownership of the body and the ability for private individuals to own land (rather than lease it from the state), the more politically informed this place will become.

Genevieve wrote:The moment DSF realizes that that true capitalism starts with self-ownership of the body and the ability for private individuals to own land (rather than lease it from the state), the more politically informed this place will become.

you aren´t hench m8

How does an individual come upon owning land in an free market (at the very beginning of an anarcho-capitalist society)? Is it just because a person uses a unused piece of unowned land for a certain period of time then they become the owner, or is there some other mechanism that determines ownership of unused land?

Excuse my ignorance, I've never done in-depth research into the topic.

OGLemon wrote:How does an individual come upon owning land in an free market (at the very beginning of an anarcho-capitlist society)? Is it just because a person uses a unused piece of unowned land for a certain period of time then they become the owner, or is there some other mechanism that determines ownership of unused land?

Excuse my ignorance, I've never done in-depth research into the topic.

Nah dude, it's cool that you ask.

You basically nailed it. You aquire capital rightfully through homesteading it; by mixing your labor with the land. If you come across a piece of land unused by someone else and you mix your labor with it (build a home, use it for farmland, create a workspace on it), it becomes your property. In a way it becomes an extension of yourself.

In conflicts of who owns the capital, a third, impartial party will be called in to arbitrate the conflict.

ehbrums1 wrote:Blah blah blah capitalism is human nature

It blatantly isn't though, nobody actually lives that way. At least not legally, so it's immoral. And morality is a consequence of human culture.

rockonin wrote:You guys are killing the thread with the boring politcal talk

Well, it is the cringe thread.

jesslem wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Blah blah blah capitalism is human nature

It blatantly isn't though, nobody actually lives that way. At least not legally, so it's immoral. And morality is a consequence of human culture.

Bullshit. The moment a person claims personal ownership, they're being capitalist.

Time and time again in history, it's been shown that in places with limited resources, people adopt a capitalist type of economy, whereas in places abundant with resources, they're closer to communist. When resources are scarce, which on a global scale they are, you need the mechanisms of a market to alocate resources efficiently.

Saying there is no element of human nature in capitalism is foolish.

Doing things against the law doesn't make you immoral. In fact, i'D argue most laws are immoral. I cannot be the capitalist I want to be by taking the drugs that I want to take because of some stupid lmmoral law that claims ownership of my body (my private property) and tells me what I can or can't do with my privarty property.

My parents couldn't start a Greek restaurant because other Greek restaurants in town complained to the city because they were afraid of competition. Some free market paradise we're living in.

Genevieve wrote:

OGLemon wrote:How does an individual come upon owning land in an free market (at the very beginning of an anarcho-capitlist society)? Is it just because a person uses a unused piece of unowned land for a certain period of time then they become the owner, or is there some other mechanism that determines ownership of unused land?

Excuse my ignorance, I've never done in-depth research into the topic.

Nah dude, it's cool that you ask.

You basically nailed it. You aquire capital rightfully through homesteading it; by mixing your labor with the land. If you come across a piece of land unused by someone else and you mix your labor with it (build a home, use it for farmland, create a workspace on it), it becomes your property. In a way it becomes an extension of yourself.

In conflicts of who owns the capital, a third, impartial party will be called in to arbitrate the conflict.

could you suggest some good literature that explains the theory? I always like to be informed of both sides before I make my own opinion.

Genevieve wrote:most laws are immoral.

Genevieve wrote:

jesslem wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Blah blah blah capitalism is human nature

It blatantly isn't though, nobody actually lives that way. At least not legally, so it's immoral. And morality is a consequence of human culture.

Bullshit. The moment a person claims personal ownership, they're being capitalist.

Capitalism is larger than that though. My point is that no recognized government is capitalist so, in that respect, capitalism is just a personal ideology.

Also, morality is law.

OGLemon wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

OGLemon wrote:How does an individual come upon owning land in an free market (at the very beginning of an anarcho-capitlist society)? Is it just because a person uses a unused piece of unowned land for a certain period of time then they become the owner, or is there some other mechanism that determines ownership of unused land?

Excuse my ignorance, I've never done in-depth research into the topic.

Nah dude, it's cool that you ask.

You basically nailed it. You aquire capital rightfully through homesteading it; by mixing your labor with the land. If you come across a piece of land unused by someone else and you mix your labor with it (build a home, use it for farmland, create a workspace on it), it becomes your property. In a way it becomes an extension of yourself.

In conflicts of who owns the capital, a third, impartial party will be called in to arbitrate the conflict.

could you suggest some good literature that explains the theory? I always like to be informed of both sides before I make my own opinion.

Yeah and I respect you for that. I don't need people to agree with me, but the prevailing culture that isn't even open to discussing what capitalism can mean beyond the demonized version everyone here is aware of rubs me the wrong way. It's like not being open to communism or socialism makes you closeminded, but no one is willing to dig deeper into what capitalism can mean and how maybe, we as a society are equally uninformed by capitalism as we are about communism. I see libertarians calling policies 'left-wing' that DSF'ers call 'right wing'.

I think the state uses capitalism as a scapegoat. It paints society as fiercely capitalist (which is just not supported by the facts), and presents itself as the savior FROM capitalism. The state takes credits for the things the free market does (like ending child labor), and it blames society for the problems it causes on the market (making people poor by devaluing their income and cartelizing the banking system under a state- controlled central bank).

But, google 'homesteading principle rothbard'. I'm sure you'll find some good literature on this. Rothbard wrote a lot on this. I'm shameless skimreader and I piece things together through thought haha.