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Harkat wrote:Here's something I've been thinking about for a while.

So, apparently back in the 90's, the sort of "urban" UK styles - jungle and garage basically - didn't have too much credibility with mixmag and other such magazines. To them, the good, credible shit was old school detroit techno, chicago house, IDM electronica and paul okenfoald. (Older ninjas, correct me if I'm wrong). Nowadays though, hipster mags are all over grime, certainly were all over dubstep, and fact talks lovingly about jungle all the time.

Does that mean the whole UK scene is a bit bloated and beard-scratchy (like IDM was/is), and that something "realer" is being disregarded by dance music nerds right now? TBF a lot of those magazines also like to big up chiraq rap, and I can't imagine anything less pretentious.

Does anyone know what I'm saying?

Spot on. But back then because they were actual physical copies, it was basicly only some people that would read about music or buy into what they were saying, whereas today everyone will read about say Zomby on a site while browsing for something else. Was all about fanzines tbh. But tbf there has always been a few dnb acts like ltj bukem or Goldie that got a lot of press in the uk. Dnb was top forty for a short period around the time massive attack, bjørk and the last few prodigy albums came about.

I would say the whole microwave (obscure wonky hiphop) thing from like two-three years ago was kind of too much under the radar considering how good some of it is. People like pj wzrd, proff logik, kan kick etc but most notably clams casino.

African electro/dance. There's a whole continent of regional dance styles, like the Shangaan electro stuff.

All those regional electro hip hop dance styles in the states, apart from juke, footwork and hyphy - haven't got a lot of press. People will confuse some of it with concepts like ghetto tech or bootybass which only exists in the mind of fratbros.

There must be something brewing in russia near a closed facility of some sort imo.

i remember when i was in the 9th grade i was in some sort of intro to animation class and for the final proj. i made a short about a hotdog going to diff. countries with a vengaboys backtrack, it had on a different gimmick for each country

pls post it lol

rayman612 wrote:

Harkat wrote:something "realer" is being disregarded by dance music nerds right now?

yea its jersey club bro

i dsiagree the night slugs kids are all over that

hubb wrote:There must be something brewing in russia near a closed facility of some sort imo.

i wanna hear what russia has to offer

i know like barely any russian music

bennyfroobs wrote:

rayman612 wrote:

Harkat wrote:something "realer" is being disregarded by dance music nerds right now?

yea its jersey club bro

i dsiagree the night slugs kids are all over that

Lol really? I thought jersey club died in 2009 when diplo killed it

Some genres have proved to be more Diplo-resistant than others

Nah m8, it died. It may be around but it cant be as big as it was in like 2003-2009

bennyfroobs wrote:

hubb wrote:There must be something brewing in russia near a closed facility of some sort imo.

i wanna hear what russia has to offer

i know like barely any russian music

lapti, nocow and bmb are dope - like deeper beats that aren't fastpaced/ hiphop sort of thing. I rate laptis older hiphop bits like i would rate madlib, 88 keys, hi-tek, havoc etc

+dj vadim

hubb wrote:

bennyfroobs wrote:

hubb wrote:There must be something brewing in russia near a closed facility of some sort imo.

i wanna hear what russia has to offer

i know like barely any russian music

lapti, nocow and bmb are dope - like deeper beats that aren't fastpaced/ hiphop sort of thing. I rate laptis older hiphop bits like i would rate madlib, 88 keys, hi-tek, havoc etc

british murder boyz?? arent htey from birmingham or something

Ghostek/Ghostlight are, or at least used to be, sick. Used to be burial rip off, now he's a little more, though to a lesser extent, of a blawan rip off.
Cardio Rhythm's on a wonky hip hop tip.

hubb wrote: African electro/dance. There's a whole continent of regional dance styles, like the Shangaan electro stuff.

All those regional electro hip hop dance styles in the states, apart from juke, footwork and hyphy - haven't got a lot of press. People will confuse some of it with concepts like ghetto tech or bootybass which only exists in the mind of fratbros.

There must be something brewing in russia near a closed facility of some sort imo.

Yeah, defo with you on russia. All I really know about russian dance music is they like really really aggy techstep DNB.

Also, that Bring In The Katz tune is apparently Baltimore Club, which has almost no press, and most of it is about Bring In The Katz, cus it came out on Night Slugs.

oh didnt know he was russian

great producer is ghostek

very much a burial rip off though haha

ghostlight is a colab between him and another guy called..... streetlight or something idk i cant rmember, his name has 'light' in it

Capital Bass crew in Russia safe as f - Formally Unknown EP from earlier this year was fire

I just can't listen to any sort of "future garage" that tries to be burialey but isn't burial. There's soooo much of it on soundcloud etc too, at least there used to be about 2 years ago.

Probably the most masturbatory scene going lol. I imagine a lot of those guys as people who would never want to set foot in an actual club.

Harkat wrote:I just can't listen to any sort of "future garage" that tries to be burialey but isn't burial. There's soooo much of it on soundcloud etc too, at least there used to be about 2 years ago.

Probably the most masturbatory scene going lol. I imagine a lot of those guys as people who would never want to set foot in an actual club.

Yeah when it was still going, they were all trying to 'outshuffle' each other with the drums. It was about who could get the meanest Burial shuffle going. Killed all energy in the track and made it sound sluggish.

bennyfroobs wrote:oh didnt know he was russian

great producer is ghostek

very much a burial rip off though haha

ghostlight is a colab between him and another guy called..... streetlight or something idk i cant rmember, his name has 'light' in it

Rooflight iirc, their collabs tended to sound like Ghostek tunes lol

The critical mistake is approaching Burial like chillout "electronica" music, when its so indebted to club/rave shit like Digital, Foul Play, El-B, and just hardcore/jungle in general. Arguably Burial himself has been making that mistake a little bit with his last few releases, but his first album definitely fit alongside the dubstep rollers from Tempa, Tectonic etc.

So many internet producers take a lot of the surface emotional aspects of Burial, the vocals and the strings and the physical, sort of half-broken sounding drums, and try to get that Burial feel. But it just sounds weak as fuck, while something like U Hurt Me has the mean, dark, club-oriented elements in it too.