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hackman wrote:

parson wrote:snakes symbolize reptilians

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enough coincidences already
if the snake was to represent spies/intelligence some other monarch would have used it as well
stop trying to avoid what you know deep down is realy going on

so she was the only reptillian monarch?

btw, in that portrait she looks like an dead man that needs some shaving, i wonder why...

...not the only one:
Prince John was a snake in the grass,
King Louis serpent a lot of money
& King Henry was often legless.

hackman wrote:

parson wrote:snakes symbolize reptilians

innART
enough coincidences already
if the snake was to represent spies/intelligence some other monarch would have used it as well
stop trying to avoid what you know deep down is realy going on

But.... she didn't use it. An artist apparently tried to use it and she most likely had them cover it up. Given that we can talk to neither of them about it, it's probably a bit rich to implant motives in their heads 500 years after the event.

If this constitutes "evidence" of reptilian monarchs then the standards for historical evidence have obviously dropped in the last few years!

Incidentally, there are plenty of real conspiracies involving Liz and her aides. I'd suggest actually reading some history about Queen Bess, she's a hell of a character; amazing and terrifying at the same time. The 250 odd years from the beginning of her Grandad's reign are probably the most fun you can have with British history.





Edit: On the reptillian front - don't you guys tie a lot of that stuff in with the Catholic church? Given that Elizabeth's reign was largely anti-Catholic (including plenty of Catholic burnings and a not-so-cold war with the Catholic Scottish), wouldn't it be more likely to try and tie Mary I or Mary Queen of Scots into the tale? Elizabeth and Henry were decidedly anti-pope. Henry smashed the Catholic Church in England... destroyed their decorations and artwork (including all that symbolism!) in favour of clear glass windows and whitewash.

The reformation was surely the biggest anti-symbolism crusade Britain ever saw!

magma wrote:

hackman wrote:

parson wrote:snakes symbolize reptilians

innART
enough coincidences already
if the snake was to represent spies/intelligence some other monarch would have used it as well
stop trying to avoid what you know deep down is realy going on

But.... she didn't use it. An artist apparently tried to use it and she most likely had them cover it up. Given that we can talk to neither of them about it, it's probably a bit rich to implant motives in their heads 500 years after the event.

If this constitutes "evidence" of reptilian monarchs then the standards for historical evidence have obviously dropped in the last few years!

Incidentally, there are plenty of real conspiracies involving Liz and her aides. I'd suggest actually reading some history about Queen Bess, she's a hell of a character; amazing and terrifying at the same time. The 250 odd years from the beginning of her Grandad's reign are probably the most fun you can have with British history.





Edit: On the reptillian front - don't you guys tie a lot of that stuff in with the Catholic church? Given that Elizabeth's reign was largely anti-Catholic (including plenty of Catholic burnings and a not-so-cold war with the Catholic Scottish), wouldn't it be more likely to try and tie Mary I or Mary Queen of Scots into the tale? Elizabeth and Henry were decidedly anti-pope. Henry smashed the Catholic Church in England... destroyed their decorations and artwork (including all that symbolism!) in favour of clear glass windows and whitewash.

The reformation was surely the biggest anti-symbolism crusade Britain ever saw!

not sure on what diet are you lately, but it's deffo working! welcome in the world of sense-making!

magma wrote: But.... she didn't use it. An artist apparently tried to use it and she most likely had them cover it up

yep, wonder why
for me i think it's amazing that this snake has appeared now, not five years ago not five years in the future, but at this stage (ongoing with my beliefs about 2012, which i understand you may not be aware or believe)
as i say too many coincidences

hackman wrote:

magma wrote: But.... she didn't use it. An artist apparently tried to use it and she most likely had them cover it up

yep, wonder why
for me i think it's amazing that this snake has appeared now, not five years ago not five years in the future, but at this stage (ongoing with my beliefs about 2012, which i understand you may not be aware or believe)
as i say too many coincidences

it's normal when you assign EVERYTHING a significance that serves your theories and when out of a million equally possible explanations you chose just the convenient one

i don't
a snake is hard to ignore

hackman wrote:i don't
a snake is hard to ignore

u don't what?
who needs you to ignore it?

choose the convenient option, i choose the obvious and sensical

hackman wrote:choose the convenient option, i choose the obvious and sensical

To me, the obvious and sensical answer normally is the convenient one - Occam's Razor really isn't a bad thing to live by. We know an awful lot about Elizabeth's reign... and the most overriding theme is the fact that most of her aides were vehemently anti-pope. She was a protestant who fought wars almost solely against Catholic countries - notably Spain, who got so frustrated with England's protestant politics that they tried to invade - luckily, we destroyed their Armada. Scotland was allied with Catholic France for most of Liz's reign.

Her Dad smashed almost all the Catholic iconography and symbolism throughout England... art depicting religion was a pretty big nono for protestants.

Given that you guys think the Catholics have had the "knowledge" for centuries, don't you think it would've been a bit odd for Elizabeth to be in on the secret, but also the Catholic Empire's most troublesome enemy?

Elizabeth's sister Mary I (Bloody Mary), who was Queen before her, reverted the country back to Catholicism and burned a shitload of protestants after had Henry abolished it and founded the CoE - switching the nation back to Protestantism and away from any control of the Vatican was Elizabeth's first major act as Monarch.

All you've got to do is read the history - if it still adds up that a snake, painted over because Elizabeth didn't approve of it, symbolises reptillia then I guess you must have a lot more information on Elizabeth than I have - perhaps you'd like to share it?

Was Eve also a reptillian?

The snake was actually a custom sex toy.

magma wrote:Given that you guys think the Catholics have had the "knowledge" for centuries, don't you think it would've been a bit odd for Elizabeth to be in on the secret, but also the Catholic Empire's most troublesome enemy?

rival factions, ultimately wanting same aim, but wanting to go about it in different ways
modern main equivalent being rockerfellers and rothschilds

magma wrote:To me, the obvious and sensical answer normally is the convenient one - Occam's Razor really isn't a bad thing to live by. We know an awful lot about Elizabeth's reign... and the most overriding theme is the fact that most of her aides were vehemently anti-pope. She was a protestant who fought wars almost solely against Catholic countries - notably Spain, who got so frustrated with England's protestant politics that they tried to invade - luckily, we destroyed their Armada. Scotland was allied with Catholic France for most of Liz's reign.
Her Dad smashed almost all the Catholic iconography and symbolism throughout England... art depicting religion was a pretty big nono for protestants.
Elizabeth's sister Mary I (Bloody Mary), who was Queen before her, reverted the country back to Catholicism and burned a shitload of protestants after had Henry abolished it and founded the CoE - switching the nation back to Protestantism and away from any control of the Vatican was Elizabeth's first major act as Monarch.
All you've got to do is read the history - if it still adds up that a snake, painted over because Elizabeth didn't approve of it, symbolises reptillia then I guess you must have a lot more information on Elizabeth than I have - perhaps you'd like to share it?

i don't understand your point, you just seem to be spouting facts about elizabeth?

You and Parson both talk a lot about reptillian links with the Catholic Church. It follows that a monarch like Elizabeth, who was at war with the Catholic Church for most of her reign wouldn't be in on the same "secrets" as them.

If they were all on another level of existance, don't you think they probably would've decided that invading each other's countries was a bit pointless?

I mean, if you've already found enlightenment and have an organisation as effective as the Catholic Church for backing it up - why on earth would you set up the CoE? If you believed in all that symbolism stuff, why would you make the first business of the day, whitewashing churches and replacing stained glass windows (rich in symbolism) with plain glass? Why would you carry out the Reformation, which amounted to the biggest war on symbolism the country has ever seen?

There's very little history to your "obvious facts", isn't there? The main thing people were interested in as far as religion went at the time was Protestant Vs Catholic - nobody was worrying about reptiles, they were all fired up about whether they should be confessing or not!

It's still nice to hear yet more "facts" that you've read on the Internet, but I think it's fairly clear to anyone that's actually read some 16th Century history that they're not as "obvious" as you've been told they are.

population control? you seem to think reptilians want everyone to get along? they're parasites who feed off our fear, therefore they want as much war and suffering in the world as possible
at least my "facts" are on topic! i don't need the history lesson on elizabeth I
your offering just as little "fact" as I am

hackman wrote:population control? you seem to think reptilians want everyone to get along? they're parasites who feed off our fear, therefore they want as much war and suffering in the world as possible
at least my "facts" are on topic! i don't need the history lesson on elizabeth I
your offering just as little "fact" as I am

Not really, I'm offering reasons why people should be sceptical about your "facts", but either way - you're free to believe whatever you want. I'm naturally sceptical against such things - teachings on reptillians hold about as much water as L Ron Hubbard's teaching on Xenu for me.

What is it that makes this so obvious? You and Parson have been holding out on us with that for ages... I mean, the information you have must be watertight for you guys to be so sure - why does it never get shared?

I mean, surely you've got docs from the 16th Century about Elizabeth's connections to this stuff? Or other stuff from her reign? Or have you just seen a picture of a snake on the Internet and made your own mind up?


On population control - given that vastly lower numbers of people lived in England (well, the whole world), five centuries ago, I'm really not sure population control was ever part of the Tudor agenda. Why would it be? And if they're so effective, how/why has it been allowed to increase so massively in the intervening 500 years?

Elizabeth wanted a powerful army, first and foremost... she was terrified of being overthrown or invaded by Catholics. It follows that rising population and low labour rates (which the 16th Century had going for it massively) would be exactly what she was after.

magma is a reptilian

DRTY wrote:magma is a reptilian

This.

yawn

holding out on what exactly? everything each of us has ever discussed about reptilians is available on the internet, books, documentarys etc

Well, a bit of logic about Liz wouldn't go astray.

Why would she want to control population? And why would she (and everyone since) have failed so dramatically at controlling the population?

Why does a complete lack of likely motives and evidence not deter you? I've watched a lot of films on this (it was a favourite of mine when I was a teenager)... but my adult brain sees it very similarly to religious teaching, tbh. There's an awful lot of faith demonstrated by yourself and Parson - faith isn't a bad thing, but I think you should be honest about it. It's faith, not logic that leads you to this belief - you have faith in the people that have told you it because there really isn't a lot of clinical evidence for any of it, is there?

this whole thing is much bigger than Elizabeth I, the snake symbolises something different to me than to you, i think it's funny

failed at controlling population? suppose the countless that died in all the elites' wars doesn't count

it's not faith, trust
i've had a few experiences of my own that i don't want to discuss on a public forum, or with anyone really