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boot wrote:Fair enough. I was just pointing out that there are certain keys that translate well on a system, whilst others don't. It's important information for people wanting to write dance music. Didn't want to get bogged down in a discussion on semantics.

right... its not semantics
what you said has been well established in the thread, just pointing out that you don't have to hit the root note

Lowpass wrote:with bass heavy music the key matters when it comes to the root note. If you have it centred between 30-40 hz then you are gonna be feeling that on a good system.

Doubt many clubs have got systems that can represent 30-40hz.

I try not to go lower than 50 personally. Otherwise it just eats up way too much headroom as you have to force the volumes up to hear anything lower.

Of course it matters. Different keys have different sound qualities. The key of A flat minor is going to sound different then C major. I would suggest taking a music theory class if your interested in learning more about keys and there qualities.

Deranger wrote:Of course it matters. Different keys have different sound qualities. The key of A flat minor is going to sound different then C major. I would suggest taking a music theory class if your interested in learning more about keys and there qualities.

You realise all keys are completely transposable? Major being different to minor is not to do with sound qualities it's just that different intervals are used. If you're recording live instruments then the key would affect the timbre but production-wise it fuck all.

All the 3 or 4 not tunes about could fit into several different keys because they share the same notes, it makes no difference to anything.

You realise all keys are completely transposable? Major being different to minor is not to do with sound qualities it's just that different intervals are used. If you're recording live instruments then the key would affect the timbre but production-wise it fuck all.

You are right about everything being transposable of course. And I am aware of what the difference is between major and minor. But if you transposed a song from A flat minor to A minor it would sound different. The relationship of the notes stay the same but different notes are used. A is not the same note as A flat.

When you say that

All the 3 or 4 not tunes about could fit into several different keys because they share the same notes, it makes no difference to anything.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I think you're refering to the fact that 2 keys could have the same notes. (C major & A minor for example) The difference is what the tonic is and how the notes are functioning.

All I'm saying that if your writing a song, using different keys is a way to spice things up. If everybody just wrote in C, things would be pretty boring.

The question I have for you is, if all keys are the same then why do we have them at all?

I don't remember saying that all keys are the same. The discussion was about certain keys being useful to hit xHz - yHz, key is pretty much irrelevant here. Just play the notes that sound good.

Grouping melodies/chords within a key is just an easy way to say which notes/chords would work well with them. What you said about A being different to Ab is obviously true but I don't know what the point was.

Use a set key to make your music sound 'musical' and 'together' and 'nice' and 'clever' and 'jolly good show'

Use random chromatic fuckery to make your music sound 'self taught' and 'dark' and 'atmospheric' and 'urban' and 'underground'

different keys evoke different emotional feelings
as far as people without traditional training or peeps like me who play by ear and forgot how to read music
sometimes you have a natural ear for what sounds good and musical and keys get ingrained in your head

Deadly Habit wrote:different keys evoke different emotional feelings

YEAH DATS WHY i USE ALL THE KEYS IN MY TRACKS CUZ I DO HIT ALL THE EEMOTSCHUNS WIV MY BEETS

two oh one wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:different keys evoke different emotional feelings

YEAH DATS WHY i USE ALL THE KEYS IN MY TRACKS CUZ I DO HIT ALL THE EEMOTSCHUNS WIV MY BEETS

Just play the notes that sound good.

Can't argue with that.

Forget the keys, I'm just gonna write some modal shit.

two oh one wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:different keys evoke different emotional feelings

YEAH DATS WHY i USE ALL THE KEYS IN MY TRACKS CUZ I DO HIT ALL THE EEMOTSCHUNS WIV MY BEETS

double

All of this mixing in key business goes out the window anyway when you factor in the tempo.

If you have two tracks that are in F-minor, but one is at 138 bpm and one is at 141 bpm, for mixing purposes their keys won't match since when you bump the tempo of the slower track up, pitch goes up...
So shaddap

grooki wrote:All of this mixing in key business goes out the window anyway when you factor in the tempo.

If you have two tracks that are in F-minor, but one is at 138 bpm and one is at 141 bpm, for mixing purposes their keys won't match since when you bump the tempo of the slower track up, pitch goes up...
So shaddap

we're talking dubstep
where 140 is the gen standard

changing key in a song can be good as long as they are relative to each other like i think A minor and C major are suppose to go together or sommit like that. http://soundcloud.com/myfickleeye - my song trainride is an example of this type of key change.

But if you want to have a lot of low end then g for 30hz (as has been said) there are charts on the internet where you can find out the frequency of a note.

a sine wave playing anything lower than f#0 has a major dropoff in power on my m audio sp5b monitors. they dont have great bass but its more than your casual listener will have. i tested this with the sine wav from reasons subtractor and one of my deepest 808s. i think the money range for maximum deep bassage is in that F# to A range. anyone else think so?

My_fickle_eye wrote:changing key in a song can be good as long as they are relative to each other like i think A minor and C major are suppose to go together or sommit like that. http://soundcloud.com/myfickleeye - my song trainride is an example of this type of key change.

But if you want to have a lot of low end then g for 30hz (as has been said) there are charts on the internet where you can find out the frequency of a note.

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

this has b0 as being 30 hz

TeReKeTe wrote:D minor really is the saddest key.

THIS.

ruckus49 wrote:

My_fickle_eye wrote:changing key in a song can be good as long as they are relative to each other like i think A minor and C major are suppose to go together or sommit like that. http://soundcloud.com/myfickleeye - my song trainride is an example of this type of key change.

But if you want to have a lot of low end then g for 30hz (as has been said) there are charts on the internet where you can find out the frequency of a note.

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

this has b0 as being 30 hz

yaa ooops well there you go the chart was my main point really.