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Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:05 pm
by Brisance
Well he is quite successful and you did't say he has to be very, very popular. Also from the dsf alpaca crew... L5D
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:21 pm
by drokkr
You cannot call yourself a DJ if you beat match properly. If you are getting paid for gigs and you can't beat match you're a tnuc. IMO.
First thing to learn about DJing dance music, of any form, is beat matching. You HAVE to learn this. Cutting, scratching, double drops or even a basic skill like eqing on/in time - none of these things are available to you properly if you can't beat match. I can't understand why anyone would even question it.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:46 pm
by spiro
Looks like beatmaching is something you can or cannot do ?
beatmatching within 20 sek or 3 min makes a lot of difference to . . .
To me it was and still is the basics, but if you need the whole 12" (3-5 minutes)
to match up the tracks, i'd rather see you do something different
than letting us all wait for the next tune!
Unless you have an exeptionaly interesting tune going . . .
Selection, and then im talking how you present which part of what track,
is more important than beatmaching, but seriously why not both ?
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:13 pm
by Sharmaji
collige wrote:If you're DJing dance music, I except you to be able to beatmatch properly.
if yr dj'ing dance music, i expect you to rock the dancefloor with your own style, and i could givefuckall about how you do it. if you show up with tin cans and a catcus needle for stylus, great-- get it moving. the ends justfy the means.
if your style involves beatmatching, then i expect you to do it well. if it involves ableton, i expect it to be done well and for you to push the envelope.
shoes in a dryer is never a good look.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:08 pm
by Littlefoot
anyone can burn a cd of the big tunes of the moment and play them all out for an hour
not anyone can blend these seemlessly and use the transitions in the songs to get the crowd hype
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:18 pm
by webstarr
Littlefoot wrote:anyone can burn a cd of the big tunes of the moment and play them all out for an hour
not anyone can blend these seemlessly and use the transitions in the songs to get the crowd hype
this is what I think is really important. Anyone can jump on & throw out bangers for an hour but knowing your tunes & being able to build a set takes much more
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:20 pm
by 86.
webstarr wrote:Littlefoot wrote:anyone can burn a cd of the big tunes of the moment and play them all out for an hour
not anyone can blend these seemlessly and use the transitions in the songs to get the crowd hype
this is what I think is really important. Anyone can jump on & throw out bangers for an hour but knowing your tunes & being able to build a set takes much more
all about build ups, peaks, 'grey area'/limbo-type ting, bring it down....etc etc etc
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:29 pm
by deadly_habit
one of my at home sessions from like 06 not so much about beatmatching but selection and style
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3x5q73
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:45 pm
by 86.
that was a dope, diverse mix. pretty wild
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:56 pm
by deadly_habit
also why i don't listen to what i produce. kinda a take on influences i had on wax back then and just messing around on decks.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:00 am
by grooki
what a load of wankery going on.
when I saw Mala a few years ago, he would put a record on from start to finish. I thought that was interesting because it was looking at the track as an entire complete piece...
whatever works I think...
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:19 am
by trike12
abZ wrote:I have been djing for 15 years. Up until recently you had to beatmatch and beatmatch well if you wanted to play out. These days I am not as fussy over how tightly everything is mixed as long as you try and your selection is off the hook. I still cannot look at is logically about using ableton or traktor live. I still like manual beatmatching including hte human error. I have a few freinds that do it where they had dj'd with vinyl for years and no how to program etc but most of the people I see using those programs don't have a clue how to blend music together. I am seeing more and more where people just wake up one morning and decide they are going to be a dj and then are playing out 2 months later. It is bullshit. Back in the day you had to have knowledge of the game/music before you played out. Should still be that way imo.
That said I use Ableton sometimes for studio mixes, I am not 100% elitist prick but I dunno I just can't get into the auto-sync sets. There are exceptions for sure, just know your shit please.
Some dudes have knowledge of the game and the music, just that they hadn't been wanting to dj before or havent had the cash..
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:39 am
by serox
grooki wrote:what a load of wankery going on.
when I saw Mala a few years ago, he would put a record on from start to finish. I thought that was interesting because it was looking at the track as an entire complete piece...
whatever works I think...
That may be because Mala can not mix:p
Makes big tunes tho.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:19 pm
by g-man
serox wrote:grooki wrote:what a load of wankery going on.
when I saw Mala a few years ago, he would put a record on from start to finish. I thought that was interesting because it was looking at the track as an entire complete piece...
whatever works I think...
That may be because Mala can not mix:p
Makes big tunes tho.
mala can mix, quite well actually. saw him a few months back here in LA.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:56 pm
by misk
theres so many different ways to perform out there these days that i could care less. as long as whatever you do is good, its all good. I've seen bad vinyl sets, and i've seen crowds tear the walls off a club to an ableton/controller dj. whatever you wanna do, just make it good and make it your own.
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:31 am
by pkay
if you can't beatmatch dubstep you need not be djing. Just sayin
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:19 am
by notch
I would rather hear a bad Ableton set then listen to the train pull into the station any day of the week. There is nothing worse then train wrecking dj's.. Beside's if you want "DJ" gig's it's all about making BIG TUNES!!!!!
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:43 am
by morro_e
have you all beatmachin heads ever listened to just one fly lo mix?
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:28 pm
by jameshk
When it comes to Dubstep, Beatmatching is fucking important. Its one of the essential skills that you should know IMO.
-hk
Re: Gung-ho about beatmatching?
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:31 pm
by Blue Patterns
morro_e wrote:have you all beatmachin heads ever listened to just one fly lo mix?
bit different....crazy experimental style.