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alien pimp wrote:the only point of a dj at a party is to watch the crowd and interact
therefore i don't make much of a difference between mistabishi and a dj who shows up with the playlist already made up in his mind (sometimes written on paper) and performs same longtime rehearsed set everywhere regardless the crowd in front of him.

the only live thing about dj-ing is actually the interaction with the crowd and the ability to read the audience and adapt your playlist. if you don't have that, you're as good as a cd for me

edit: there's also dj's able to adapt the audience to their sound or sell them anything he feels like playing. but those are the few exceptions

All of this.

The DJs job is to take you on a journey. Either that's a journey that he sets out and you follow (see someone like Venetian Snares or Aphex Twin for the extreme end of that) and he does as much as he can to coax you along the way with whatever interaction and hype he can, or it's a journey that's moulded by the interaction between DJ and raver - those types of sets are rarer and people that can genuinely pull it off deserve their titles as the top DJs.

However, someone who is primarily a producer and needs to put together a clubset of their own stuff? I'm not sure why they should adapt what is, afterall, their own vision of music simply in order for the crowd to give them yet more props. Is it not enough that they wrote that music you're dancing to?

Makes me think of producers like Joker. I love his stuff, but he's a bit of a shonky DJ... if he stood up their with Ableton running through a set that was actually well mixed and then just did the hype thing, I think I'd be just as happy. I'm paying my money to see someone I respect musically, to listen to his music on a soundsystem that nobody I know has access to (seriously, to whoever said 'my mates got a system'... does it compare to the F1s at Corsica?!), to be around hundreds of likeminded people all loved up and on the same vibe and to have access to a bar (and perhaps other businessmen in the establishment)... all those things go into the ticket price, you're not just paying to see one bloke play his own records with the highest degree of accuracy possible.

He does look like Will Young though.

P.S. Most hiphop heads would probably scoff at the average level of mixing in Dubstep. It's not exactly the most advanced part of our genre... spinbacks, doubledrops and all the tunes within a few bpm of each other... yeah, it's a skill, but there aren't many Dubstep DJs that I show up to watch their turntablism. If I wanted that I'd go and see DJ Shadow.

it was pretty shit the way Mista was dumped on for circumstances beyond his control (excluding jumper)

but, that said,
vinyl or serrato being played out enhances my live experience,
when I pull myself out of the sub-bin & look over at the dj flipping records,
twiddling knobs, sliding faders, tweeking laptop tracks
I feel that there's more of a connection (which I don't feel with CDs)
but, ultimately, it's the big system's delivery of prime tunage that matters.

ahier wrote:

capo ultra wrote:your not paying to see a DJ work hard, your paying to dance your arse off to pre-recorded tunes on hopefully a decent system

yeah but a good dj putting the right tunes in the right order and mixing them effectively takes those prerecorded tunes to a completely new and different level, which i think is the point of a dj - not just to play songs on a bigger system. If this was the point, then why would clubs (read - good clubs) bother to hire different djs on their relative merits when they could just get the tunes and put em on a mix cd themselves?

that's not my point, fuck using a mixtape. Misti Vanishi has proper fucked himself. I'm just lolling at the deck watchers. Espescially in d'n'b, too many. I go to a party to dance not watch the dj

Most dubstep DJ's barely mix anyway. Rewind rewind rewind rewind... tbh, I'm not sure what is worse.

Mistabishi stole Rusko's CDs

chainsawclownstyle wrote:Most dubstep DJ's barely mix anyway. Rewind rewind rewind rewind... tbh, I'm not sure what is worse.

Mistabishi stole Rusko's CDs

haahahha

chainsawclownstyle wrote:Most dubstep DJ's barely mix anyway. Rewind rewind rewind rewind... tbh, I'm not sure what is worse.

Mistabishi stole Rusko's CDs

You still have to mix before rewinding. Still, I fucking hate pull ups. It's fine once or twice a set, but when you hear Skream - Burning Up rewound about 8 times in one night, it gets tiresome.
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When I DJ i just take my laptop and tune into rinse and then skillfully turn it down when they talk and talk myself. True say I don't get the best crowds.

pikeymobile wrote:

chainsawclownstyle wrote:Most dubstep DJ's barely mix anyway. Rewind rewind rewind rewind... tbh, I'm not sure what is worse.

Mistabishi stole Rusko's CDs

You still have to mix before rewinding. Still, I fucking hate pull ups. It's fine once or twice a set, but when you hear Skream - Burning Up rewound about 8 times in one night, it gets tiresome.
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it's cus the people that have started goig to that kind of stuff purely just want to go mental and do so at every fucking drop, so what wouldve looked like a MENTAL reaction a year or 2 ago you now get from every tune. rewinds should be reserved for those 2 or 3 seriously special tunes that make the crowd literally cry (for example, when i saw mala and he played 'return to space' i actually cried a little bit. got a rewind, and nothing has ever deserved one more imo lol)

dreamizm wrote:I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't actually know what a DJ is supposed to do inn dance.

Toast over records?

Now my selectah.

magma wrote:However, someone who is primarily a producer and needs to put together a clubset of their own stuff? I'm not sure why they should adapt what is, afterall, their own vision of music simply in order for the crowd to give them yet more props. Is it not enough that they wrote that music you're dancing to?...

pertinent!
but i've always seen a big difference between dj's and producers, and it's very important for the distinction to be made even on flyers.
and with an own production set you gotta either have written enough dubz for each occasion, either go to very well targeted events, either pray

now, because producing is not economically self-sustainable due to low sales because the piracy, producers that don't care about dj-ing are forced into it and mistabishis like that are a normal outcome

[and that's why music purely for listening will mess up - much fewer gigs for it and retarded sales due to piracy]

dreamizm wrote:I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't actually know what a DJ is supposed to do inn dance.

The medium is irrelevant, or at least should be.

magma wrote:

ketamine wrote:To people saying its no big deal: it is.

This is the equivalent of paying to see a band live, and they get on stage play a cd (the same cd you have in the car) and rockout on air guitar. Why get up there?? Why should you pay to see this??

Because it's a DJ playing prerecorded music from CD players or record decks and not a "live set" anyway?

The cult of the DJ is massively overrated.

what the fuck are you talking about dude??? seriously ?? are you even reading what you're typing or what?? i cant believe you are as dumb as you seem.


the cult of the DJ ???????? where the fuck do you come up with this shit ?? what about a dj set is not "LIVE" ?? your stupidity is making my head hurt


the cult of the DJ, is that like, i dunno , the last 30 years or so of raving ??? unbelievable how stupid you are



also, that printer jam song sucks donkey dick and mistabishi should be given a towel party by every hard working dj in the business, from every genre

I agree that DJing is pretty overrated, but I would still be massively pissed off if I was in a dance and a billed act was playing a pre-recorded mix.

As a side point, a lot of rewinds seem to be out of a DJs control. I'm always seeing other DJs, MCs, dickhead punters or other hangers on pulling a record up.

did wrote:When I DJ i just take my laptop and tune into rinse and then skillfully turn it down when they talk and talk myself. True say I don't get the best crowds.

Same.

My gear is a AT&T Edge card, a laptop, VLC Media Player and a puzzle book.

d'brickashaw ferguson wrote:I agree that DJing is pretty overrated, but I would still be massively pissed off if I was in a dance and a billed act was playing a pre-recorded mix.

As a side point, a lot of rewinds seem to be out of a DJs control. I'm always seeing other DJs, MCs, dickhead punters or other hangers on pulling a record up.

can we leave beef on another forum, on that forum. i never understand why people feel the need to spread BS to every forum possible. who is that helping?

ketamine wrote:Why should you pay to see this??

Straight mtv generation there. I wanna see my music.

heh figured, he's always been a production geek and being forced to dj to make a living
welcome to reality people
loads of bigger names do this

the problem is people book hyped producers with releases regardless of skills not djs anymore for younger crowd draw
mistabishi vs dj has skills from no name city who can mix
who is gonna bring in more cash?
music even underground is a business, just shame there are some bigger name acts who do this and don't take the time to learn to spin regardless of tune making skills

seckle wrote:can we leave beef on another forum, on that forum. i never understand why people feel the need to spread BS to every forum possible. who is that helping?

if he didnt explain himself, then i think it would be perfectly acceptable to name and shame, would you feel the same way inclined if a dj was caught playing 'illegal' music?

dubstep has become the new dnb on the net at least