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Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:16 pm
by tronn

Thanks! Yeah, i totally agree, i'm still dealing with abit of mine also. I still find myself getting anxious when meeting new people and avoiding revision/study when i should be doing it as i find myself getting very anxious about performance. My faulty way of reasoning towards avoidance says that if i study hard and fail, i'll be more effected than if i can rationalise it by saying "i could have done better if i studied harder" which is pretty much self deception there lol. My past has already proved that, although avoiding anxiety provoking situations may be a pleasant relief in the short term, it pretty much leaves you fucked in the long term as you cause yourself to miss out on essential learning opportunities. I guess its always most helpful to try and stick to challenging my anxieties by challenging my thoughts on a situation since the feelings are product of the thoughts. Definitely agree with what you say about what you gain, even if you don't succeed the first time, try and take as much as you can to learn from for next time and also importantly, think back to the anxiety that wanted you to avoid and challenge it, asking "was that really a rational level of anxiety for what i was doing", if that makes any sense lol.
Yeah I know what you're talking about. It's the same idea as when someone worries about the outcome of something that is going to happen in their future, and that event gives them anxiety. This can be anything from a forthcoming job interview, to asking out a girl they like. Maybe they hadnt succeeded at a similar task in the past, and theyll use that as frame of reference as to the type of outcome they should expect.

Problem with this is, you're probably not the same person you were back then so you shouldnt expect the same outcome. The past is dead and only influences the future if you let it.

Most people will avoid the situation, justifying away their inaction, blaming some outside influence. Or they won't face the situation until the last minute, then go spaz when the moment comes and sabotage themselves, then kick themselves later.

Or theyll be anxious the whole time leading up to the situation, work their ass off get a good outcome and go, hey that wasn't so bad. Or theyll work their ass off, won't get the outcome they wanted and go, i'm a fucking idiot for working so hard.

A good mindset to have, like in regards to your test is: 'If I study hard, I can still bomb this test, the professor may just be a d*ck. But I have a better chance of getting a good grade than a bad grade if I study hard. So let me do my best studying, and even if I bomb, fuck it, I studied as hard as I could, there was really nothing more I could possibly do.'

Because you studied your hardest, you realize their was nothing more you can do, and you start to detach from the outcome. Even if you bomb the test (which you won't) you're conscience will be completely clear, and you won't beat up on yourself because you realized that you made the right decision and was as prepared as you could possibly be.

So the question to ask yourself is 'What action can I take RIGHT NOW, that will move me closer to the outcome I desire'

Kudos to you though man, just from what you type its obvious you have an excellent sense of self, so long as you keep it up and continually better yourself, you'll get the success you seek.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:57 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.
you're always so quick to take a conversation in this direction...

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:02 pm
by fuagofire
Pistonsbeneath wrote:
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.
you're always so quick to take a conversation in this direction...
I recon he failed selection, and has been a bitter commie ever since. :wink:

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:55 pm
by ST100
tripaddict wrote:THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER :w:
either that or things could just get 10x more fucked up.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:56 pm
by djelements
Mattron wrote:
tripaddict wrote:THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER :w:
either that or things could just get 10x more fucked up.
Dude I know it's so dope.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:05 am
by nousd
I'm a failure too.
Can't bring myself to post the homo cartoons, pube shots or racist jibes that would get me banned.
Surely a true ninja must be banned at least once (or become a mod...a fate worse than death).

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:28 am
by tr0tsky
fuagofire wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.
you're always so quick to take a conversation in this direction...
I recon he failed selection, and has been a bitter commie ever since. :wink:
Yup, life's shit.

I've got a 2:2 from some small-town Polytechnic and now work in a call centre for Virgin Media.

I spend my days dreaming of being blown to bits living in a dusty tent with nobody but a hyper-energetic Scotsman for company.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:17 am
by the artful dodger
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.

And your just a tnuc trOtsky. Most my fam have served and they are all doing well for themselves so dont be a prick and speak about what you dont know.

Anyway i wouldnt go for the RMC if you think your lazy, it aint easy to get in, and even harder to stay in.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:08 pm
by tr0tsky
the artful dodger wrote:
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.

And your just a tnuc trOtsky. Most my fam have served and they are all doing well for themselves so dont be a prick and speak about what you dont know.

The number of former servicemen in prison or on probation or parole is now more than double the total British deployment in Afghanistan, according to a new survey. An estimated 20,000 veterans are in the criminal justice system, with 8,500 behind bars, almost one in 10 of the prison population.

The study by the probation officers' union Napo uncovers the hidden cost of recent conflicts. The snapshot survey of 90 probation case histories of convicted veterans shows a majority with chronic alcohol or drug problems, and nearly half suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder or depression as a result of their wartime experiences on active service.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/2 ... ber-troops

Research conducted by RAND has shown that 25 to 30 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have reported symptoms of a mental disorder or cognitive impairment. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is the most common, and traumatic brain injury may be a causal factor in some reported symptoms.



But let's not let facts and hard evidence get in the way of a good rant, eh artful?

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:10 pm
by tr0tsky
By the way, it's fucking hilarious being called a tnuc by somebody who...

....shaves gaps into their eyebrows. What are you, 14 year old? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:26 pm
by the artful dodger
You read into the media way to much i think what comes from the mouth of real soldiers beats all the fake bollocks the media says.

I dont think you have heard of a piercing before then trOsk :roll:

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:33 pm
by magma
Come on now, Sham... let's not let pesky things like the facts get in the way of a good career. Everyone knows the truth has a well known liberal bias.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:46 pm
by tr0tsky
the artful dodger wrote:You read into the media way to much i think what comes from the mouth of real soldiers beats all the fake bollocks the media says.
Read the fucking article, they've got direct quotes both from

1) Professor Tim Robbins, consultant clinical psychologist and former head of traumatic stress services at St George's hospital, London

and

2) Harry Fletcher, General Secretary of the National Association of Probationary Officers.
Probation staff in 62 offices across England and Wales say the vast majority of former soldiers referred by the courts for criminal justice supervision did not receive adequate support or counselling on leaving the armed forces.
The probation union's estimate of 20,000 veterans in the criminal justice system breaks down into 12,000 veterans on probation or parole, and a further 8,500 in custody. These figures represent 8.5% of the total UK prison population, and 6% of all those on probation or parole.


Now I know the Guardian has a particular (left-liberal) editorial line, but are you actually saying that they've made up the NAPO report and false-quoted a Professor of Traumatic Stress?




You might think you're the dog's bollocks young man but I doubt you know jack-shit other than the anecdotal conversations you've had with a few squaddies.

Like I said, why let some evidence get in the way of a good rant? A half-arsed one as that!

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:45 pm
by missedthebus
JimmaJamJamie wrote:I am too fucking lazy to go to college and it has been the same way through my whole life....

So in light of all of what is written above, have you got any better idea of waht you want to do with your life?

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:46 pm
by Neurotik
tronn wrote:

Thanks! Yeah, i totally agree, i'm still dealing with abit of mine also. I still find myself getting anxious when meeting new people and avoiding revision/study when i should be doing it as i find myself getting very anxious about performance. My faulty way of reasoning towards avoidance says that if i study hard and fail, i'll be more effected than if i can rationalise it by saying "i could have done better if i studied harder" which is pretty much self deception there lol. My past has already proved that, although avoiding anxiety provoking situations may be a pleasant relief in the short term, it pretty much leaves you fucked in the long term as you cause yourself to miss out on essential learning opportunities. I guess its always most helpful to try and stick to challenging my anxieties by challenging my thoughts on a situation since the feelings are product of the thoughts. Definitely agree with what you say about what you gain, even if you don't succeed the first time, try and take as much as you can to learn from for next time and also importantly, think back to the anxiety that wanted you to avoid and challenge it, asking "was that really a rational level of anxiety for what i was doing", if that makes any sense lol.
Yeah I know what you're talking about. It's the same idea as when someone worries about the outcome of something that is going to happen in their future, and that event gives them anxiety. This can be anything from a forthcoming job interview, to asking out a girl they like. Maybe they hadnt succeeded at a similar task in the past, and theyll use that as frame of reference as to the type of outcome they should expect.

Problem with this is, you're probably not the same person you were back then so you shouldnt expect the same outcome. The past is dead and only influences the future if you let it.

Most people will avoid the situation, justifying away their inaction, blaming some outside influence. Or they won't face the situation until the last minute, then go spaz when the moment comes and sabotage themselves, then kick themselves later.

Or theyll be anxious the whole time leading up to the situation, work their ass off get a good outcome and go, hey that wasn't so bad. Or theyll work their ass off, won't get the outcome they wanted and go, i'm a fucking idiot for working so hard.

A good mindset to have, like in regards to your test is: 'If I study hard, I can still bomb this test, the professor may just be a d*ck. But I have a better chance of getting a good grade than a bad grade if I study hard. So let me do my best studying, and even if I bomb, fuck it, I studied as hard as I could, there was really nothing more I could possibly do.'

Because you studied your hardest, you realize their was nothing more you can do, and you start to detach from the outcome. Even if you bomb the test (which you won't) you're conscience will be completely clear, and you won't beat up on yourself because you realized that you made the right decision and was as prepared as you could possibly be.

So the question to ask yourself is 'What action can I take RIGHT NOW, that will move me closer to the outcome I desire'

Kudos to you though man, just from what you type its obvious you have an excellent sense of self, so long as you keep it up and continually better yourself, you'll get the success you seek.
Yeah, i think i need to start practicing what i preach abit because i'm always telling people to look for positives in everything yet i'm willing to overlook positives in this to convince myself of the likelyhood of failure. For example, if i manage to get my head down and get A's for these january exams, i've got the hardest set of modules out of the way, especially for psychology. I had another psychology mock yesterday and i was so worried about the fact i hadn't done much revision for it i panicked and completely forgot about structuring my time properly, i was suprised i remembered so much and was able to get so much down yet my time was up just as i was half way through the second essay question. I guess that tells me i need to worry less about my memory and gives me some time to work on my focus and concentration abit. I have my first biology exam next tuesday and i just need to keep my will power up and remind myself that every time i have studied hard so far i've got great grades and it was just one biology mock where i ended up with a C and i was pretty gutted about it.
Problem with this is, you're probably not the same person you were back then so you shouldnt expect the same outcome. The past is dead and only influences the future if you let it.
This is definitely the case and i need to remind myself of this more often. And thanks for what you said last :), same goes for you!

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:01 pm
by fuagofire
tr0tsky wrote:
fuagofire wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.
you're always so quick to take a conversation in this direction...
I recon he failed selection, and has been a bitter commie ever since. :wink:
Yup, life's shit.

I've got a 2:2 from some small-town Polytechnic and now work in a call centre for Virgin Media.

I spend my days dreaming of being blown to bits living in a dusty tent with nobody but a hyper-energetic Scotsman for company.
No need to get sand in your vagina.

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:28 pm
by Depone
If you havnt already, you need to kick your own ass out of the parents place and wake up. Its not what you do, its if your happy :)

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:10 pm
by feral witchchild
djacroama wrote: luckily, music is my true passion and even if i never get a release or became a DJ thats booked every night, i dont really care as its making and spinning it that makes me happy <tear rolls down my right eye and glints in the sunlight>
:z:

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:17 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
tr0tsky wrote:
fuagofire wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:
tr0tsky wrote:Yeah join the Marines.

Because ex-squaddies don't have massive problems with unemployment, crime, addiction to drugs and alcohol, aren't the largest occupational group both in prisons and living homeless on the streets.

Also, you get to kill nig-nogs and pik-paks.
you're always so quick to take a conversation in this direction...
I recon he failed selection, and has been a bitter commie ever since. :wink:
Yup, life's shit.

I've got a 2:2 from some small-town Polytechnic and now work in a call centre for Virgin Media.

I spend my days dreaming of being blown to bits living in a dusty tent with nobody but a hyper-energetic Scotsman for company.
seriously man why do you such an axe to grind on this?

people that end up in the army are often disproportionally not from middle class backgrounds hence as is the way the world goes they get caught for their easy to spot crimes as opposed to the middle class through upper middle classes that get away with their crimes due to commiting smarter crime...

it's not realy that hard to figure out...tha article was written by someone who wanted to push their agende and took whatever figures tey could find that best suited their cause....thats the media in general an i pay i no heed

Re: I'm A Failure...

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:23 pm
by NilsFG
feral witchchild wrote:
djacroama wrote: luckily, music is my true passion and even if i never get a release or became a DJ thats booked every night, i dont really care as its making and spinning it that makes me happy <tear rolls down my right eye and glints in the sunlight>
:z:
:bam: :Q: