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aesthetics wrote: Thanks for all the advice!
Was still wondering about what size/quality speakers I would need.
In watts (I know there are like 200W speakers and 500W speakers).
What should their range be, active or passive, etc...
I got the generator and an assload of gas, the only thing missing is the speakers

That gets tricky as there is massive variety in what you can use. I have heard 3k-5k+ systems at outdoor shows that sounded utter crap compared to my 400w system (pair of slightly modified yamaha s5115ht's with a cheap crown amp.) Folded horns on the low end of things go a long way to help with bass projection outdoors. Haven' got to play with any fancy subs at a renegade yet but am currently designing a small one to pair with my cabs (two eights in an isobaric encloser with a large folded horn.)

Your generator will help determine what you'll want to consume that power. A 500 watt generator may have issues pushing a 5k rig etc. A buddy of mine that i trust on such things told me to not go beyond a 1 to 1 ratio. one watt of generation per one watt of sound. I had a 2k generator until it died at burning man last year (found pieces of the piston 25 feet away!) and it pushed my system with lighting and bit of extra juice for blenders/waffle irons etc.

My main advice is to figure out the output of of generator.
Square away amps that it will power comfortably then look into getting the best cabinents that you can find.
Test fire the system before heading out to make sure of any tuning you may need to do outdoors.

I have heard systems that sound great in a room sound crap outdoors because the sound guy wasn't familar with playing outdoors. I have also played on total ghetto rigs (single three way cabinet paired with a 4x10 bass guitar stack) that sounded great. Definitly sound check and tweak the system to sound good more than loud and you'll be set.

And oh bring a headlamp, spilling gas all over your shoes at 4am is not a way to wind down a party lol.

ehcsztein wrote:

aesthetics wrote: Thanks for all the advice!
Was still wondering about what size/quality speakers I would need.
In watts (I know there are like 200W speakers and 500W speakers).
What should their range be, active or passive, etc...
I got the generator and an assload of gas, the only thing missing is the speakers

That gets tricky as there is massive variety in what you can use. I have heard 3k-5k+ systems at outdoor shows that sounded utter crap compared to my 400w system (pair of slightly modified yamaha s5115ht's with a cheap crown amp.) Folded horns on the low end of things go a long way to help with bass projection outdoors. Haven' got to play with any fancy subs at a renegade yet but am currently designing a small one to pair with my cabs (two eights in an isobaric encloser with a large folded horn.)

The only things I can find for rental at a price I can afford atm are things like this (I will now attempt to translate from hebrew to english):

DAS Audio 2 way active speakers. 15" Woofer 1" Tweeter with throat compression technology.
Woofer Element: 150W
Twitter Element 50W
Freq. Range: 60Hz-15Khz (This already looks bad :\ Maybe a sub?)
Impedance: 20KΩ
Speaker Sensitivity: 127dB SPL
Weight: 23.7 Kg (Seems kind of light?)
Dimensions: 70 Cm Tall x 45 Width x 36 That other dimension



Not worth shit or will it be okay? I think loudness is more important than quality, the people that are coming are there to drink, smoke weed and dance to good music...

"Not worth shit or will it be okay? I think loudness is more important than quality, the people that are coming are there to drink, smoke weed and dance to good music..."

Loudness is quality

Solved!

BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:"Not worth shit or will it be okay? I think loudness is more important than quality, the people that are coming are there to drink, smoke weed and dance to good music..."

Loudness is quality

Solved!

BOOM! You just ripped this thread to bits and raped 6 alpacas simultaneously!
But seriously, that rig look good enough? DAS Audio's website looks pretty serious...

aesthetics wrote: The only things I can find for rental at a price I can afford atm are things like this (I will now attempt to translate from hebrew to english):

DAS Audio 2 way active speakers. 15" Woofer 1" Tweeter with throat compression technology.
Woofer Element: 150W
Twitter Element 50W
Freq. Range: 60Hz-15Khz (This already looks bad :\ Maybe a sub?)
Impedance: 20KΩ
Speaker Sensitivity: 127dB SPL
Weight: 23.7 Kg (Seems kind of light?)
Dimensions: 70 Cm Tall x 45 Width x 36 That other dimension



Not worth shit or will it be okay? I think loudness is more important than quality, the people that are coming are there to drink, smoke weed and dance to good music...

Looking at those speakers you probably want to run a sub with them I am not thinking they are going to give the type of bass response that your going to want stand alone. As in the loudness of the bass will just not be available without flexing the eq on the low end of things or running the risk of ear splitting highs. A pair of those and a decent sub could be a good little rig though. On the loudness vs quality... to each their own I guess. From my experience the folks that attend the out door gigs are into the music enough that it doesn't need to be super loud but does have to sound good (bad sound and a head-full can make an unpleasant evening in the woods/desert.)

i wish northern ohio had some cool shit like this other than clubs

if anyone knows of anything like this going down in the ohio/pa area HIT ME UP. me and my dude been lookin for a proper rave for a while now. we are rave noobs.

skyhigh wrote:i wish northern ohio had some cool shit like this other than clubs

if anyone knows of anything like this going down in the ohio/pa area HIT ME UP. me and my dude been lookin for a proper rave for a while now. we are rave noobs.

PM me, Ill get you on the info circuit man. I know the guys ll come with some more outdoor dirtiness this summer.

don't know too much about speakers and all, but when i go to renegades w/ great sound systems, the cabs are usually over a meter tall, woofer's probably 18" at least.. just sayin, know that size doesn't mean shit, but the speakers might not support the kind of wattage you want. i'd test 'em out (or at least a similar system) before hand.

narcissus wrote:don't know too much about speakers and all, but when i go to renegades w/ great sound systems, the cabs are usually over a meter tall, woofer's probably 18" at least.. just sayin, know that size doesn't mean shit, but the speakers might not support the kind of wattage you want. i'd test 'em out (or at least a similar system) before hand.

That's the info I'm looking for
I'll keep you all updated, I got my two best friends to put up like 100 dollars each
So we have a mind-blowing $200 budget to spend on renting a generator and speakers.
We're taking 20NIS (~ $5) at the entrance. So 50 people (which is about 1\3 of what were expecting at the first rave) = 1000NIS = ~$250 which is just enough to pay back our expenses and gas for hauling shit back and forth and you know oregano. So if 100 people come which is still less than what we're expecting we're in the money

Planning renegades is fun You're all invited by the way, 22.02 if it all goes down as planned.

now wait.. why don't you invest a bit more.. i mean 100 bucks isn't really a lot. make it double and you will ahve a bigger, better rig.
hope you're not doing it for money's sake.

and believe me, if you have big sound, maybe this time you will have not nuff people and each of you have to pay 50 bucks or so from you rown wallet, but next time there will be for sure more people coming...

i wouldn't come (again) if the system's just not good enough (for bassweight music)...

vulvavibration wrote:now wait.. why don't you invest a bit more.. i mean 100 bucks isn't really a lot. make it double and you will ahve a bigger, better rig.
hope you're not doing it for money's sake.

and believe me, if you have big sound, maybe this time you will have not nuff people and each of you have to pay 50 bucks or so from you rown wallet, but next time there will be for sure more people coming...

i wouldn't come (again) if the system's just not good enough (for bassweight music)...

No way dude! I'm doing it so we can have renegade forest raves, 20NIS enterance is nothing compared to the 60-70 it costs to get into a decent club! The only reason I'm taking an entrance fee is so we can do it again and again and bring a bigger system every time, and get more people to come
I'm interested in making enough money to pay off rental fees + gas + cigarettes (and things you put inside cigarettes) and enough cash to go eat pancakes at 9 am when we're done.
And it's 100 bucks each, so we have $200 to spend. We might bring in another investor if it's necessary...

lol i wish i was in israel now, its too fucking cold here for teh renegades!

i have been djing 2 weeks ago in teh forest at some darkpsy party. we have done adubstep intro till 2 at night. it was so wicked!
very dark, some blue spots. you see the snowflakes dropping... wow!
system wasn't bad too.

problem was that i wasn't able to dj cause it was so fucking cold! fucked quite everything up. after few tracks with messy beatmatching i switched to b2b works def better in the cold!

invite palestinians to come to the rave man! music connects!

vulvavibration wrote: invite palestinians to come to the rave man! music connects!

Yeah Aes you could totally be like a revolutionary example of good vibes towards humans for the rest of the folks in your country, who knows, maybe all you ravahs can get the governemnts to set some menial shit aside or something, IDK... Aesthetics raves are now officially considered Activism for World Peace.

eops wrote:

JFK wrote:If its an illegal party then HIRE a soundsystem dont use one of your mates rigs. This is because the police will not confiscate a hired rig that does not belong to one of the party organisers/attendees.

CLEAR UP ANY SHIT YOU LEAVE BEHIND.

Have at least 1 first aider per 100 people. We used to get student nurses to come and give them little high viz waistcoats. The police always thought that was a nice touch.

A petrol generator AND backup generator are essential.

Be 100% prepared for some drunk crusty to spill shit all over the decks/laptop. It will happen and you will need to kick his ass.

A little stall selling bottled water/beer is a good idea. You can make some ££ back and put it towards the cost of the rig.

Dont advertise the party. Give fliers to your friends and ask them to pass onto their friends. That way you keep the wankers to a minimum.

Be prepared for things to kick off. If you dont have any security you will need to act as peace maker and/or ass kicker. I have been there a few times myself and usually you can diffuse the situation with chit chat.

This guy knows ... hows about me you and serox go find us a warehouse! lol

I am still on the warehouse raves and outdoor raves in the summer, they happen every week still in london;)

Basic A wrote: Well wait wait wait... if your not trespassing or breaking and entering how is this like... illegal? you guys got laws prohibiting Dubstep, or is it just a permit thing your talkin about? I dont see how having venue owner permission and not causing a nusiance and not hurting anytihng can get you arrested, unless like I said, its permits, taxes, or laws prohibiting all skanking out to bass music.

And im not talkin about warehosues, were talkin woods n deserts n natural areas, like state game land and forest reserve and shit, get it?

I know people who have been arrested under the terrorism act in London for putting on raves in warehouses:/ they have lost fk1 rigs, amps, records the lot! and then been charged lol.

This is still rare and there are still loads of sound systems doing partys every weekend.

serox wrote:

Basic A wrote: Well wait wait wait... if your not trespassing or breaking and entering how is this like... illegal? you guys got laws prohibiting Dubstep, or is it just a permit thing your talkin about? I dont see how having venue owner permission and not causing a nusiance and not hurting anytihng can get you arrested, unless like I said, its permits, taxes, or laws prohibiting all skanking out to bass music.

And im not talkin about warehosues, were talkin woods n deserts n natural areas, like state game land and forest reserve and shit, get it?

I know people who have been arrested under the terrorism act in London for putting on raves in warehouses:/ they have lost fk1 rigs, amps, records the lot! and then been charged lol.

This is still rare and there are still loads of sound systems doing partys every weekend.

The terrorism act should be called the "We dont think you have actually done much but we have a brilliant excuse to arrest you " law.
Everytime they want to arrest someone they play that terror card - Ill have to tap your knowledge RE raving in London come summer

eops wrote: The terrorism act should be called the "We dont think you have actually done much but we have a brilliant excuse to arrest you " law.

true
if police suspect you have been or will be involved in terrorism they can hold you for something like 48 days without trial or charge? something like that, I can't remember now...

nothing like a bunch of heebs out in the woods gettin down to some brostep at 4am.

Rickmansworth wrote:nothing like a bunch of heebs out in the woods gettin down to some brostep at 4am.

If a Brostepper falls in the forest and theres no one around is he still a brostepper?