This "NOISE" people are calling Dubstep....

[frebentos]

I would love to play Joy Orbison and 2step in my sets here, but the crowd expect Jump Up.. so it ends up being about 90/10%. You do what you can.

just fucking play it ffs

wurd.

[Pedro Sánchez]

I personally think playing to the crowd can only go so far and has to stop at some stage..

I mean how much does a dj need to pander to people?

what if the people just want remixes of the top 40 because they want songs they know?

at the end of the day a dj is there to educate as well as play a set people want to hear..

It seems though a lot more of the newer dubstep fans djing will happily just play awful music because its what students and silly girls ask for..

</Nutshell>

[sanjion]

I would love to play Joy Orbison and 2step in my sets here, but the crowd expect Jump Up.. so it ends up being about 90/10%. You do what you can.

just fucking play it ffs...this is the problem..why do you think they expect jump up?

Because before we even started the Dubstep night, I went around telling peeps about it, and about 95% of them said "yeahhhh!!! wobbb wobbb wobbb!! Where's MY MONEYYYY?!?!!"

I groaned.. and started the night anyways, because Indonesia didn't have a Dubstep night. That was 6 months ago. Till now, I'm trying to grow it and educate the locals bit by bit, I do play Joy Orbison etc. But not as much as I'd like.. When you play these tracks, they stop moving and start moping. You drop some wobble, and they start jumping. They really don't know any better, due to lack of exposure, and the fact they don't travel outside of their own country. This is their only experience of the scene thus far. So I started the podcast, where I play 2step/Funky and a mixed bag of sounds.. and also drop some internet radio sets... again, playing diverse. But in the club I can't actually do what I want. YET. We'll get there though.

I'm actually starting a separate night in May for 2Step/Funky, at a more upscale Bar/Lounge.. just to see if it brings in a different crowd.

At the first gig, a local Drum n' Bass DJ came up to me and said "you can't just come here and think you can play what you want."

HIs point, is that Indonesians follow the crowd. They don't understand being "progressive" or "cutting edge". They follow.. so yeah, it's about that 10% in every set until they actually start to get it. That's why.

[brasco]

there's a whole lot of money in dubstep now. people living the dj life, and driving nice cars because of the sound. this is obviously great for the originators, the 15-20 names that were there from day one and put in all the early graft. the problem is it creates a vacuum effect, where other upcoming dj's and producers..... see producer XYZ getting big bookings, festival dates, big remixing jobs...and figure to themselves...i too can live the good life if i start using the same sound palette. this means that 2 or 3 producers that originated one palette of sound, get badly copied by 500-1000 others all trying to fly around the world too. abrasive tunes have always been around. the problem in 2010, is that this noise is so devoid of progression, that you can't tell noise track #1 from noise track #275.

please, label heads....stand up for quality instead of quantity.

THIS

I would love to play Joy Orbison and 2step in my sets here, but the crowd expect Jump Up.. so it ends up being about 90/10%. You do what you can.

just fucking play it ffs...this is the problem..why do you think they expect jump up?

AND THIS

all day long.

dubstep is supposed to be well produced intelligent music. this bottom of the barrel 'robotstepping whomping dirty filthy gutwrenching' noise, is not.

[helix]

I get a lot of shit on here for the music I play in my sets. Its ironic particularly in this instance given that I was the first DJ to ever play Joker's tracks in the first place.

I haven't listened to your sets lately, because I hardly listen to radio, but you've always represented the reasonable side of "jump up" dubstep to me.

[ammo]

I miss the early eskibeat days *sigh*

Noone can beat Coki for that raw sound n there's way too many tunes of that raw style comin out n people's sets r gettin really boring. kryptic minds are balancing it perfectly by keepin it dark in a subtle, melodic n fwd-thinkin way still

hopefully the 'noise' will fizzle out especially cos it seems like people are gettin sick of it

[sanjion]

hopefully the 'noise' will fizzle out especially cos it seems like people are gettin sick of it

Well, yeah... two threads on the same day saying exactly the same thing. One started by Rob Sparx, the other by Darkside. Both respected. Both plenty under their belts.

So if the DJs are already pissed, won't take long to filter through to the clubs.... Just like the dnb scene though, it'll segregate rather than die.. and that's usually necessary for evolution in any case.

Look at the Dubstep Forum Awards for confirmation.. or the thread about "Top 5 Producers (April)".. all good, positive nods in the right direction.

[darkside]

There's a lot of big tracks and talented artists bringing this tear-out sound, which isnt what I label NOISE, I even play selected tracks myself. What goes against this though, is there is a lot of fierce tracks jumping on this wagon, and its diluting the decent side of tear-out. The quality of some of what ive heard over the past 8 weeks...well there isnt any. - Will there will be a requirement for the BIG FWD & DMZ soundsystems?.....coz this screaming sound doesnt appear to include much bottom end, infact it probably does;you just cant hear it.....(lol)

the problem in 2010, is that this noise is so devoid of progression, that you can't tell noise track #1 from noise track #275.

Exactly!!

[random trio]

Majority of it sounds a bit generic to me these days. The problem with this is most who have become involved in the scene now are strictly in it for the money.

Dubstep is all about the bottom end.. this is lost for noise.

[Neurotik]

The problem with this is most who have become involved in the scene now are strictly in it for the money

Great point! As when this happens it really doesn't serve to reflect the diversity and creativity that the scene was originally about. I do respect alot of the jump up scene and enjoy it when i'm in the mood but with more and more people jumping on the "noise" as you call it lol, the more people crowd the scene while showing complete disregard towards the history of the genre causing people to generalise dubstep under generic wobble remixes and chainsaw sounds when they're missing out on an incredible range of creative talent that most of the recent bandwagon jumpers refer to as "boring" and so missing the point of what the music is about in the first place.

The main thing that attracted me to dubstep in the beginning was the blatant presence of innovative expression and leading to the point where you couldn't label dubstep under ONE sound so the presence of jump up alone imo is a nice reminder that dubstep can adapt to fit into the club scene for those who once labelled it as "just head nodding stoner music" lol. But i would like it if people would take an open minded approach to appreciating the different aspects of the scene and how it's progressed since it's begginings rather than starting a "i was here before you", "oh shut up you elitist" row every other thread.

[random trio]

The problem with this is most who have become involved in the scene now are strictly in it for the money

Great point! As when this happens it really doesn't serve to reflect the diversity and creativity that the scene was originally about. I do respect alot of the jump up scene and enjoy it when i'm in the mood but with more and more people jumping on the "noise" as you call it lol, the more people crowd the scene while showing complete disregard towards the history of the genre causing people to generalise dubstep under generic wobble remixes and chainsaw sounds when they're missing out on an incredible range of creative talent that most of the recent bandwagon jumpers refer to as "boring" and so missing the point of what the music is about in the first place.

The main thing that attracted me to dubstep in the beginning was the blatant presence of innovative expression and leading to the point where you couldn't label dubstep under ONE sound so the presence of jump up alone imo is a nice reminder that dubstep can adapt to fit into the club scene for those who once labelled it as "just head nodding stoner music" lol. But i would like it if people would take an open minded approach to appreciating the different aspects of the scene and how it's progressed since it's begginings rather than starting a "i was here before you", "oh shut up you elitist" row every other thread.

[Pistonsbeneath]

this main page is a prime example of people desperate to promote themselves first and foremost and actually make good music second....it's becoming less about the amazing music born out of creativity and sitting down making something beautiful and more about being famous...but to what end exactly?

i am never gonna be quitting my job so i really don't see the point in compromise

[christthetiger]

But i would like it if people would take an open minded approach to appreciating the different aspects of the scene and how it's progressed since it's begginings rather than starting a "i was here before you", "oh shut up you elitist" row every other thread.

i think the problem, at least for me is that people who are just joining the "scene", are being mislead imo. they hear mt eden or datsik and think that is dubstep. i want people to listen to dubstep, and hear where it came from and be able to chose.

http://www.brostepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=564
"HEADS-UP BROS, for every1 that has realised that Sub is NOT where its @ those puny peeps on the "other side of dubstep"=(WANK) have been talkin to me and they have offered to give all the now unwanted Bass bins a home.

They will pick them up and offer Steroid shakes and steak smoothies for all thos real BROS who DONT NEED SUB BUISNESS MESSIN UP THE MID RANGE!!

So If you havent thrown away those 18's allready then hang on and @ leats get something out of the wet limp powerless "elitists" who still continue to use Dub rythms and "sub", pussies.

Dub makes me SICK!! I want nothing but STEP.

WHERES YER MEAT?
IN YER HEAD!!
THAT IS WHAT THE BROSTEPPAH SAID!!

Halloed BRO thy name."


thats what bothers me.

[brasco]

i think the problem, at least for me is that people who are just joining the "scene", are being mislead imo.

[abs]

this main page is a prime example of people desperate to promote themselves first and foremost and actually make good music second....it's becoming less about the amazing music born out of creativity and sitting down making something beautiful and more about being famous...but to what end exactly?

i am never gonna be quitting my job so i really don't see the point in compromise

so true

[esfandyar]

Plastician played too much rusko tunes last night at Outlook.

Probably thinks he is still in Miami.

Joker smacked it though and Ragga Twins made me forget Plastician even played.

I played 2 rusko tunes at outlook last night in a set which contained 38 tracks.

I'm just stating facts. I don't expect everyone to enjoy my sets when dubstep is such a diverse sound. I just play what I feel is going to work best on the night and judging by the audience it went down pretty well last night.

I wasn't about to rinse Joker out when he's on after me. I thought I'd play some stuff he wasn't looking to drop so left out anything on that tip from my set.

Anyway I aint on here to defend myself I have no problems with the music I play in my own sets, thats why I play what I do. I just wanted to state a fact that "too many rusko tunes" was a bullshit statement when each of the 2 rusko tracks I played probably only played out of the speakers for a maximum of 50 seconds each.

I played for 50 minutes. 1 minute and 40 seconds of one artist is not too much. (awaits sarcastic dickhead comments from people saying 1 minute 40 seconds of Rusko is too much).

I missed the majority of Joker's set but its hard for him not to smack it with all his own productions there at his fingertips right now. I'm sure he tore it down like he always does!

go on Plastician

at the end of the day a dj is there to educate as well as play a set people want to hear..

go on Piston

A dj does need to educate. How else will people become exposed?

What got me into this sound was its unique production value, now a days the saturation of bullshit is becoming more and more apparant because, as alot of us has said on here, people are trying to mimic and not do something they are doing from the heart. That originality is still there from certain artists but not as apparent say like 4 years ago.

What crushes my heart is when I was playing this stuff out back in 2006 and people were just staring trying to figure how to dance to the music, how to "catagorize" it (because lets face it no matter what Mala or anyone else says, we catagorize the shit out of everything), and that was when dubstep was coming with such sick production from so many great artists. But then thats when people were like WTF is this music? Then fast forward to today, and you get EVERY fucker out there jumping on the bandwagon playing out SHIIIITTTT tunes at like 196 kbps just remixes of fucking who know what gash. Kinda makes my head want to cave in on itself.

[_boring]

@ Darkside, please list some specifics because this thread is STUPIDLY suggestive.... these threads are WASTE without specifics.

and i keep hearing all this shit about how DJ's suck where you are from.....LOL sorry bruv!!

DJ sets are supposed to tell a story....each track means something new and different, if every track has the same vibe.... no matter WHICH vibe it is, be it noise or deep, the shit just aint gonna be as cool as a progressive set.

are people so thick? how hard is it to drag a crowd by the neck? isnt that the point of being a DJ??

ok so people like jump up wobble and shit soooo.... heres what i do.....

my last set started like this

Trillbass- Save Me From Myself
Caspa and Trolley - Shut the Lights Off
Suspect and Panick - Game Over
Kid Sister - Right Hand Hi (caspa remix)
The Bulgarian - Jack It Like a Zombie (Hulk rmx)
Richie August - Whack

^^ This was a post headliner set, so i wanted to keep the crowd in the hype game for a minute because thats what the last DJ ended with, and this was a slice of what i thought was relevant/popular and would get the crowd moving but also stick true to the sound i want to play, plus a few cutting edge dubs for some real freshness. so after the richie august joint (which is sick nasty btw) i immediately brought in "Noah D - Got U Now"....this is perfect because people who were looking for that hype thing got it, while remaining fresh, and the noah d track then does exactly what the song is titled as! GOT U NOW mother fuckers, it steers the set towards a bit deeper groove while still pounding hard, but has that dirty melody to get peoples heads going a bit more. its all about these connector tracks that steers the crowds attention perfectly from one style to the next. after the Noah D i tested the waters with a darker one from Matt U & Riskoteque because the noah d tune had left me room to do that, and out of the Risko and Matt joint i mixed into 2 Von D tunes, so after exposing them to the hype, teasing some darker minimal stuff that was still semi-hard, i brought the girls back in with the von d, after which i went straight into a pure tribal dubby number from Max Ulis called "Change" with the vocal "this is a song about change". this tune is a CLASSIC but still fresh take on what dubstep is supposed to be, so it kinda brings people back but also forces the future with the vocal sample. so now after opening with some hype/wobble, i forced them into the darkness, brought it back to the light with the melodic vocal tune, then a fresh groovy tune (Von D and DJ Madd - It's Over) to open em up a bit, then into the dubby but tribal/dancey to bring it back, then that left me with the chance to drop 2 more experimental tracks because they were already drawn into that journey ya know? so i was then able to play Monkey - Never Knew (Pesky Plates) into Fantastic Mr. Fox - Sketches, and these are some pretty experimental tracks that people wouldnt normally even think of as dubstep!! and people are havin it because they are already being dragged around on this journey that i am actively controlling!! you have to set yourself up to be able to play certain styles to certain crowds! and trust me, by the time we got to fantastic mr fox they were havin it! so after that melodic/2steppy/house joint i wanted to try and force them back to the more dubsteppy halfstep original sound so i played "Citizen Snipz - Ice Cold Kopparberg" after which i played a fresh refix of CREAM which got everyone goin again! i kinda forget exactly how it played out after the cream but i kept testing the waters while pleasing peoples expectations, playing Joker How Do You Like Me Now, 16Bit-Serum (which sounds kinda like burial but still has that club vibe) plus Sarantis, Sick Sense Crew - Focus, a tune which gets in peoples face and kinda says, i dont give a fuck what you say this is what ima do this is what ima play, and then people were really getting hype over the set which basically didnt have ANY wobble/robot save for the intro and this leaves me space to finish it off with an Eskmo joint and cap it off with the brostep anthem by bro diddley BIG DICK which proclaimes "i got a big dick"

and thats that. see what im sayin?? how hard is to plan on taking peoples expectation by the neck and dragging them sideways while teasing them and hardly even getting into any wobble?? you really have to play with peoples emotions up there. there is a time and place to play all bangers and theres are nights where you really to challenge the crowd and play with their emotions and take them on a journey in a way that they did not expect, and i think there are enough tunes out there with diverse vibes beats and sounds to accomplish this!! respect to the producers every time.


the hard part is that you get people in your FACE while you are spinning who are clearly all about the hype ass wobble/electro shit and you dont see those people hiding in the back grooving to the more experimental deeper stuff, you only hear them tell you how they enjoyed the 2steppy shit afterwards. so you just have to trust those people are there too and just play a variety that pleases everyone, stays relevant, brings back the old school and most importantly are the tunes YOU love.

[seckle]

this is 2010 tune, and we need more next level vibes like this...less generic chain metal grind.
youngsta and seven...

[esfandyar]

its all about these connector tracks that steers the crowds attention perfectly from one style to the next.

this!

and this is what differentiates djs from one another, its part of being creative, and it is what brings different sounds to the dancefloor not changing the tempo or energy up too drastically. DJ Madd and Von D are perfect examples of that.

[seckle]

Von D are perfect examples of that.

that city of cars remix he did is heavy.