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nowaysj wrote: When I built my pc about a year ago, I saw a 1/4 ratio. For what I could build with $1000, would cost me equivalently $4,000 for the mac. There is no hype or exaggeration there. In fact, I thought that price was so high, I went through and selected all the highest end options for the mac, think it came to $25k

If you were comparing to the Mac Pro, that's definitely possible. It's always been ridiculously overpriced and over the past year, the iMac has gotten better and cheaper than it. The $25k is probably because Apple charges insane amounts for RAM and they let you order crazy shit like dual 30" monitors and 4 2TB hard drives. I guess it only takes a few idiots to click everything for them to turn a huge profit.

thanks for all the input

cloak and dagger wrote:

collige wrote:Whenever I see people bragging about how much cheaper building a custom PC is than buying a mac, I'm always inspired to look up the price difference. Here's what I've found:
To match a high end $2,000 27" iMac, it costs at least $1300 to buy the processor, motherboard, memory, video card, HD, case, power supply, and DVD burner from Newegg. Add on the cost for the fan, wireless mouse and keyboard, webcam, Windows OS, PCI cards for wi-fi, firewire, etc, and shipping for everything, and I think the cost gets pretty close.


Interestingly enough, a similarly spec'd Alienware desktop costs more than the iMac. Just some food for thought 'cause I'm bored at 3 in the morning.

Just figured I'd mention that Alienware is also known for being extremely overpriced...so it's probably not the best comparison.

newegg is for parts too

Hellomadame wrote:There's also a thing you need to consider here. As far as I know a lot of good VST and AU out there takes a lot of place and CPU usage during your production. Mac uses only 10% of the power of the CPU to run the Mac program and PC uses nearly 30 to 40% of his CPU to run windows. So mac lets you use more power to do your demanding stuff.


I've bought a mac mini recently for ... 899$. 4g of ram and 2,56Ghz which is pretty nice. Also 4g of ram on a Mac equals nearly the double of ram in a PC so 4g of ram on a mac = 6 to 8G of ram for pc.Plus you don't have to worry about virus which is a big up also. So I'm totally mac. Running Logic and rewiring Reason in it works great and I have multiple extremely demanding VST and never crashes or making glitches while playback.

I haven't heard such tripe in a while, this is exactly the sort of thing that pretentious mac owners spout, even though they know fuck all about what they are talking about.



3% CPU usage. Windows XP, winamp playing a FLAC, several tabs open on firefox, Steam running, anti-virus running.


My CPU is FIVE YEARS OLD.

You also have no idea what RAM is.

In the end, Macs = shiny PCs that are overpriced and for the minority who have not been using windows for say, the past thirty years or indeed for their whole life, are actually counter intuitive and annoying. Like how, when you click onto another application, the actual window for the application you were just on disappears and when you go back to it you have to go to the "Window" tab at the top. Pisstake.

mmjdw wrote:

Hellomadame wrote:There's also a thing you need to consider here. As far as I know a lot of good VST and AU out there takes a lot of place and CPU usage during your production. Mac uses only 10% of the power of the CPU to run the Mac program and PC uses nearly 30 to 40% of his CPU to run windows. So mac lets you use more power to do your demanding stuff.


I've bought a mac mini recently for ... 899$. 4g of ram and 2,56Ghz which is pretty nice. Also 4g of ram on a Mac equals nearly the double of ram in a PC so 4g of ram on a mac = 6 to 8G of ram for pc.Plus you don't have to worry about virus which is a big up also. So I'm totally mac. Running Logic and rewiring Reason in it works great and I have multiple extremely demanding VST and never crashes or making glitches while playback.

I haven't heard such tripe in a while, this is exactly the sort of thing that pretentious mac owners spout, even though they know fuck all about what they are talking about.



3% CPU usage. Windows XP, winamp playing a FLAC, several tabs open on firefox, Steam running, anti-virus running.


My CPU is FIVE YEARS OLD.

You also have no idea what RAM is.

In the end, Macs = shiny PCs that are overpriced and for the minority who have not been using windows for say, the past thirty years or indeed for their whole life, are actually counter intuitive and annoying. Like how, when you click onto another application, the actual window for the application you were just on disappears and when you go back to it you have to go to the "Window" tab at the top. Pisstake.

Is that supposed to show how efficient a PC is
I have been using windows since it came out, indeed all my life, and once I switched to mac I never looked back. Yeah there is a bit of a learning curve, but it small as fuck. Now I find PC's are annoying and they have the close/maximize buttons on the wrong side. I love the one button mouse on my macbook and how if I need to right click I just put 2 fingers on the trackpad and click, I love the way I can scroll dragging two fingers on the trackpad. Just because you dont like or dont want to learn how to use a mac doesent mean there shit.
Macs = shiny PC's that have a good OS, and just work as expected. PC's are for people who cant afford, or simply don't like macs. Big fuckin deal.
There is a reason macs are standard for the music industry, just like PC's are the industry standard for business and gaming.

I personally own a Mac and I must say the setup is fairly simple. It's not going to be hard to adjust to. However I am building a PC soon for production reasons. Mainly being my Mac is about 4-5 years old and doesn't quite have the CPU power I need. Another reason I'm getting a PC is for gaming. So it just makes sense in my case. However don't be scarred of Mac, they make a hell of a product and are extremely stable. My almost never gives me trouble of any kind. Hope this helps

ninjadog wrote:

mmjdw wrote:

Hellomadame wrote:There's also a thing you need to consider here. As far as I know a lot of good VST and AU out there takes a lot of place and CPU usage during your production. Mac uses only 10% of the power of the CPU to run the Mac program and PC uses nearly 30 to 40% of his CPU to run windows. So mac lets you use more power to do your demanding stuff.


I've bought a mac mini recently for ... 899$. 4g of ram and 2,56Ghz which is pretty nice. Also 4g of ram on a Mac equals nearly the double of ram in a PC so 4g of ram on a mac = 6 to 8G of ram for pc.Plus you don't have to worry about virus which is a big up also. So I'm totally mac. Running Logic and rewiring Reason in it works great and I have multiple extremely demanding VST and never crashes or making glitches while playback.

I haven't heard such tripe in a while, this is exactly the sort of thing that pretentious mac owners spout, even though they know fuck all about what they are talking about.




3% CPU usage. Windows XP, winamp playing a FLAC, several tabs open on firefox, Steam running, anti-virus running.


My CPU is FIVE YEARS OLD.

You also have no idea what RAM is.

In the end, Macs = shiny PCs that are overpriced and for the minority who have not been using windows for say, the past thirty years or indeed for their whole life, are actually counter intuitive and annoying. Like how, when you click onto another application, the actual window for the application you were just on disappears and when you go back to it you have to go to the "Window" tab at the top. Pisstake.

Is that supposed to show how efficient a PC is
I have been using windows since it came out, indeed all my life, and once I switched to mac I never looked back. Yeah there is a bit of a learning curve, but it small as fuck. Now I find PC's are annoying and they have the close/maximize buttons on the wrong side. I love the one button mouse on my macbook and how if I need to right click I just put 2 fingers on the trackpad and click, I love the way I can scroll dragging two fingers on the trackpad. Just because you dont like or dont want to learn how to use a mac doesent mean there shit.
Macs = shiny PC's that have a good OS, and just work as expected. PC's are for people who cant afford, or simply don't like macs. Big fuckin deal.
There is a reason macs are standard for the music industry, just like PC's are the industry standard for business and gaming.

macs = overpriced dumbed down linux/bsd pc for people who think pcs just run windows

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote: Just figured I'd mention that Alienware is also known for being extremely overpriced...so it's probably not the best comparison.

newegg is for parts too

I picked Alienware because Dell was the first think that came to mind, their compters were too crappy to do a comparison with. I've heard from many people that Newegg is the best site for parts and from what I've seen they always have good deals. What do you recommend?

collige wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote: Just figured I'd mention that Alienware is also known for being extremely overpriced...so it's probably not the best comparison.

newegg is for parts too

I picked Alienware because Dell was the first think that came to mind, their compters were too crappy to do a comparison with. I've heard from many people that Newegg is the best site for parts and from what I've seen they always have good deals. What do you recommend?

i use goggle shopping or pricewatch to source what i need
like last night i needed a serial ata cable
on newegg would have been 15 or like 20 bucks after shipping
same exact cable after a quick goggle got for 4 on amazon after shipping

Macs run OSX, Windows and Linux.

i use a PC. i don't give a shit about any of this. only reason i would personally get a mac is for logic and to look like a sexy hipster around my college. only apple product i own is an iPhone and yes i love it.

lazermouse wrote:Macs run OSX, Windows and Linux.

so do pcs
you just have to built em hardware compliant and hope apple doesn't further their monopoly on overpriced cheap hardware in a shiny case with their next update to osx

If logic were PC, most people wouldn't buy a Mac.

mmjdw wrote:If logic were PC, most people wouldn't buy a Mac.

I would, I don't use Logic.

Basic A wrote:Dont you dare recommend windows to someone who codes, that is linux realm

what do you know? I work at a software company and every single employee runs XP or Vista.

£10 Bag wrote:

Basic A wrote:Dont you dare recommend windows to someone who codes, that is linux realm

what do you know? I work at a software company and every single employee runs XP or Vista.

Your right, Im just a Technology student... what would I know? I only spend 8 hours a day working on my Ubuntu part.... Your right, ubuntu probably has a selection of total shit compilers and Im probably just an idiot who has no idea what he's saying...

Its not my fault your company has product loyalty...

What company you work for/what languages does the firm depend on most? If vis. basic is anywhere in there, or Java, I can tell you why you guys run windows.

For network administration and for more cross applicable languages, Linux is the way to go.

Thats not product loyalty of some company I work for. Thats fact man. and yeah, I DO know.

deadly habit wrote: macs = overpriced dumbed down linux/bsd pc for people who think pcs just run windows

This.

This is seriously the same as the DAw arguements... your never going to change people here guys, and noone is going to admit they all do the same thing with different workflow, when we ALL know thats all this is (except windows, which has f*ck shit potential as a server, cmon, Novell is the biggest joke in security and adminstration ever...)

Silly question really. You will never get a really objective answer.

I've been both a PC and Mac user for years. I use the Mac as my main computer now since I can boot into win 7 and linux via virtual machine or bootcamp. And have used a PC at uni/work.

They both have their place with equal pros and cons and its all about personal preference, needs and budget.

To completely write off either system/workflow is completely retarded.

dubmatters wrote:Silly question really. You will never get a really objective answer.

I've been both a PC and Mac user for years. I use the Mac as my main computer now since I can boot into win 7 and linux via virtual machine or bootcamp. And have used a PC at uni/work.

They both have their place with equal pros and cons and its all about personal preference, needs and budget.

To completely write off either system/workflow is completely retarded.

This.

I try to be as objective as possible, but its hard when noone else will be either....

Basic A wrote:
I try to be as objective as possible, but its hard when noone else will be either....

I find there's an equal amount of bs spouted by both sides.