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jungle.

try to mix some older Untold stuff with some shackleton stuff. It's impossible to get that nice and tight

reggae & dub

trance

The builds are so long, minimal changes
and I can't seem to detect any cohesion in formula..

I get bored before it's time to mix.

most music goes intro, build, break, rebuild, mix out

trance goes - super long intro - super super super duper long build to barely audible change that is the climax if you've been paying attention that whole time, to more work out, work out, work out, work out work out...you need an acid machine here to go crazy for another 8 movements cause there is room, then somehow your into the middle of the next super super super long build for your track coming in and ...fuck all that

I do like to listen to it though. I do have an attention span for music.

jungle, can't mix this for shit

yeah I love when some DJs stress how great they are at mixing or when people stress the necessity to beatmatch. but all the tunes are at or around the same BPM...not particularly mind blowing shit. not that it has to be...but far too many props get placed on something so basic.

...and yet people often fail at beatmatching same tempo tunes. one particular dude we all know...no need to drop the name.

love this but the drums seem to clash with everything.

House. because i dont listen to enough of it to "get" the breakdowns/buildups. beatmatchings fine, just i dont know the song structures cause i almost never mix it.

and sometimes hip hop cause they can have short intros.

pirate exposer wrote:yeah I love when some DJs stress how great they are at mixing or when people stress the necessity to beatmatch. but all the tunes are at or around the same BPM...not particularly mind blowing shit. not that it has to be...but far too many props get placed on something so basic.

...and yet people often fail at beatmatching same tempo tunes. one particular dude we all know...no need to drop the name.

Steve Aoki?
I have no fucking clue.

i think learning on some of the crazier jungle tunes makes everything seem quite a bit easier. Dubstep/2step/garage all that came very easy after

I have issues with breakcore and some skullstep tunes at times. Most aren't really produced for DJ use so you really have to know your tunes inside and out. Most of the times you struggle to get 8 bars of even slightly organized/mixable pieces before some kind of switch up.

way a mate of mixes jungle/choppage is to just do horridly blatant beat switches. play an amen tune, mute it, then have a tune with another break play instantly. then do the reverse, back to the amen. has to be done with as little atmospherics in the background as possible, but it works pretty well.
not sure you can mix tunes like that any other way tbh.

basically ends up sounding like an hour of this:

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or this

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uses equinox - acid rain vip (breakage remix), equinox - vivid dreams and source direct - snake style heaps

jameshk wrote:jungle.

pussy, its not difficult. its all in the hi-hats and knowing the tunes properly. get caught out on vocal samples all the time though.

i find dubstep most difficult to mix. though the idea of tech hip hop mixing, like with scratching and dropping accapellas and the like, makes me nervous. i think i need to give it a go, as all the best DJ's i know are ex-hip hop/scratch DJ's.

hip hop for me, fuck knows why. gap between the hits too big i guess. dunno. dont listen to it much anyway.

Project_B wrote:hip hop for me, fuck knows why. gap between the hits too big i guess. dunno. dont listen to it much anyway.

do you not find that its the massive variation in BPM's too?

the idea of just pulling tracks out of a bag and randoml;y trying to mix them, like i would do with dnb or jungle, is not even a starter with hip hop. i think you've gotta have a pre-rehearsed set.

Hip hop is a task to mix with most stuff.
I can mix it at 3/4 but thats swag.
I will have learn one day.

laurent__duval wrote:

Project_B wrote:hip hop for me, fuck knows why. gap between the hits too big i guess. dunno. dont listen to it much anyway.

do you not find that its the massive variation in BPM's too?

i guess thats got alot to do with it also, its alot slower than everything else i mix.

Pistonsbeneath wrote: you dont really beatmix jungle though surely?

i do, totally.
i don't think jungle, dubstep, grime, dnb, ghetto tech are that hard to mix.
i find myself more frustrated but then again more motivated to do well when mixing hip hop and finding combinations with stuff that are at the same bpm but not really hip hop anymore

I played Jungle out during it's peak period, beat match just as you would any genre first for one simple reason - jungle should be all about the crossfader fast switch up, don't bother with pitch shifting apart from cranking it up to the next level during a long track slowly. Just my suggestion.

I mix across all genres these days, Deep House is definitely the hardest on turntables. It's all about slow smooth transitions, that's not what I'm about - my old flatmate is the don of that style tho.

The Low End Theory style stuff with the off beat drums can be a crazy headache to throw into sets. I love playing that stuff out but I usually try to have a good idea of what tunes play nice together whereas with dubstep/funky stuff I tend to be more spontaneous.

jungle is still a 4/4 genre. The theory around beatmatching is the same. You're not trying to match every single kick and snare... focus on the start of each bar and the rest will sort itself naturally once its matched up.