What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
2manynoobs wrote:
i've experienced some weird shit that you wouldn't believe...
please elaborate, I am actually interested, surely you want to convince as many people as possible?
pm me if you like
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:31 pm
by 2manynoobs
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:41 pm
by faust.dtc
2manynoobs wrote:
faust.dtc wrote:Waste thread is waste...
i pity you
I pity you more for being a poor mans Parson.
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:46 pm
by gwa
giggedy goooooo
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Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:48 pm
by lloydnoise
2manynoobs wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.
I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.
To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.
What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition
You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:00 pm
by 2manynoobs
lloydnoise wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.
I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.
To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.
What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition
You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards
watch that. Basically everything they are saying in that film is based on scientific FACTS; that means it is proven
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:24 pm
by kaiori breathe
2manynoobs wrote:give your opinion, facts and discuss.
There is no such thing as lizard people.
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:41 pm
by EBR
kaiori breathe wrote:
There is no such thing as lizard people.
Seriously !
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:51 pm
by alien pimp
ha, and some people call me nuts and stuff
but don't let me disturb you, carry on, why bother with real issues when we can blame it all on lizards from outer space
i'm outta here
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:53 pm
by hackman
lloydnoise wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.
I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.
To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.
What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition
You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards
astral projection aside, have you ever had an out of body experience?
if so, do you think that was all in your head?
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:29 pm
by kaiori breathe
EBR wrote:
kaiori breathe wrote:
There is no such thing as lizard people.
Seriously !
Ever wonder why you and your stoner friends are the only ones laughing at people who don't watch David Icke, put weight in obscure, so called, 'scientific' research, and believe the X-Files to be an accurate documentation of the FBI's activities in America?
But don't mind me - I Just thought I'd return your investment of condescension.
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:39 pm
by lloydnoise
2manynoobs wrote:
lloydnoise wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.
I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.
To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.
What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition
You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards
watch that. Basically everything they are saying in that film is based on scientific FACTS; that means it is proven
Hey,
not sure what to make of that film. It does a good job dealing in only facts until the 2min mark and then veers about a bit into some fairly wild speculation. I read A LOT about QP and various sub-fields in modern physics, I understand the idea of de-coherence and take some issue at the way the concept is presented in this film.
This movie explains the de-coherence of a wavefunction as being the effect of a viewer, in a sense, creating their own reality. While this is true in principle it is never really manifest in our world FAPP.
First the word 'viewer' is inaccurate. The phenomenon of wavefunction collapse is encountered whenever the WF is 'measured'. This is a far more open term and means that ANY interaction with even an unconscious entity (that has already de-cohered or collapsed) can cause this collapse. In fact, in labs, scientists have to set matter up to be in wavefunction states before they can play about collapsing (and more recently, restoring) these states because most matter on earth has already interacted with other, previously collapsed matter so it in itself has already collapsed.
Heisenberg is mentioned amongst many in this film. I would strongly suggest you read his book Physics and Philosophy. It is a cold and rational look at the state of modern physics (written in the 60s I think but deals with the same basic subject matter that the film covers).
The film appears to try and link the idea that the human mind is capable of far more powerful feats than is generally considered possible to the 'observer created reality' idea that stems from the phenomena of de-coherence. This is a major and incredibly unscientific way to hijack a scientifically validated principle. The credible MIT professor merely summarises the idea of WF collapse, he does not link it to the theory postulated in the film. Then we hear from Bruce Lipton
TL:DR - Film has decent science but then tries to prop up unfounded ideas using established science in very unscientific way. Science fact + Unscientific conjecture = pseudo science.
Anyway, what's this got to do with our scaly overlords?
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:10 pm
by hackman
hackman wrote:
lloydnoise wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:What we're really talking about is religious experience isn't it? I mean, we all have access to the same information, but you're talking about a process of "awakening". Like that Icke video, essentially he is a prophet that had this religious awakening which amounts to reading subtext into a world that already exists. He is not exposing any new phenomena, he is explaining why the things that exist are as they are - its internal logic must be tight otherwise so many people wouldn't buy into it, but essentially there is nothing he says that couldn't be explained in some other way in accordance with occum's razor and there is not one compelling piece of evidence which brings conventional wisdom into question. That is why for me personally the man does not have an ounce of credibility.
Like Christianity, it explains everything, whilst proving nothing.
what about astral projecting, what about quantum physics starting to prove all of this shit. what about every person who goes on about awakening just like Icke.
The funniest thing of all is that every single piece of obscure/not-mainstream information/science I read, it all falls perfectly together. Like a puzzle.
You read a piece here, you read a bit there. Then you read something else and suddenly BAM! you see the connection.
It all fits perfectly. Why won't you at least try to see it?
Got to agree with Acid up there, he's put it pretty well imo.
I have tried to see it, I spent many years (from when i was 16 - 18 probably) getting pretty into the more subversive theories regarding society, politics and reality. Don't assume I haven't looked in to this stuff because I don't agree. I just found nothing that convinced me.
To me astral projecting is like a lucid dream, you aren't travelling anywhere, you just see what you want to. Stephen LaBerge theorises on this in his Lucid Dream book.
What do you feel Quantum Physics is starting to prove? I have certainly never read anything that pertains to the Icke world view, the Matrix theory, any conspiracy theory. If you are referring to the numerous theories regarding the nature of the Universe then yes, there are many new ideas but NONE relate to these ideas. rather these ideas are generally clumsily linked to legitimate scientific theory with outlandish pseudo-science or total nonsense.
Show me any quantum theory that helps support the reptilian worldview and I will show you my penis in a superposition
You say to me 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth'
I say back to you 'I feel sorry for you, you cannot see the truth' -
for me, truth is truth because it is provable, not just conjecture. Show me proof and I will join you in the fight against these lizard bastards
astral projection aside, have you ever had an out of body experience?
if so, do you think that was all in your head?
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:11 pm
by EBR
kaiori breathe wrote:
Ever wonder why you and your stoner friends are the only ones laughing at people who don't watch David Icke, put weight in obscure, so called, 'scientific' research, and believe the X-Files to be an accurate documentation of the FBI's activities in America?
But don't mind me - I Just thought I'd return your investment of condescension.
I invest in people and ideas.
Seriously tho' George Bush has the reptilian tongue...
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:14 pm
by parson
bin laden is a distraction. if you saw it on tv, it's not real.
Re: osama bin laden = reptilian ?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:19 pm
by EBR
parson wrote:bin laden is a distraction. if you saw it on tv, it's not real.
