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yes, yes you are

you can make a beat seem 70 bpm at 140, 280, 560 etc and vice versa, using higher bpm settings allows for higher resolution in quantization
also bpm/ quantized synced effects can be done without those fancy sync features using such things like delay calculators

and regarding djing i think you need to hop on some real decks or cdjs and you'll get why everyone is like wtf
if i have a tune produced at 70 bpm on one of my decks and one made at 140 the other deck i don't switch my pitch to +/- 50% mode (yes i can do this on my turntables ) in order to mix the two together

IT'S FUCKING CUT-TIME 140! /THREAD

There's supposed to be a beat in between but it's not accented, hence cut-time drums. I'm kinda thinking this could be why there's so many tunes with shit drums. People are just treating it like a really slow 4/4 house beat, kick snare kick snare.
But there's no real reason to be producing at 70, quantization levels go below what's musical and grids are for cigarettes anyway.

On a side-note: Imo, 140's too fast. 120-130 is perfect for decently upbeat stuff and 100-110 for more chill vibes. The slower things are the more room you have to pull things around without it getting messy. Basically speed is the anti-groove.

I guess I shall shoot myself in the fucking head!

deadly habit wrote: and regarding djing i think you need to hop on some real decks or cdjs and you'll get why everyone is like wtf
if i have a tune produced at 70 bpm on one of my decks and one made at 140 the other deck i don't switch my pitch to +/- 50% mode (yes i can do this on my turntables ) in order to mix the two together

Btw, wouldn't you need +/- 100% to go from 70bpm to 140bpm?

140

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Glad to know that the Dubstep community is full of trolls and children. Way to be guys. How about directing your energy at producing tunes and not at feeble arguments, maybe then... but until that day, repeat this mantra:

Arguing on the Internet
Is like the Special Olympics
Even if I Win
I am still Retarded

i use 70 bpm atm, only because the virus ti does not have triplet lfo syncing, so i find it more interesting to use 70 bpm with a synced 1/16th or 1/32 lfo.
at least at the moment.
using a 1/6th at 140 bpm is too fast for my taste.

The correct answer to this age old question is obviously that anybody who produces under a 2240 bpm minimum is a pussy.

cp101 wrote:
Arguing on the Internet
Is like the Special Olympics
Even if I Win
I am still Retarded

I hate this saying. Quit being sanctimonious.

Oh, and 137. Mmmmmm. the numbers go up to 11.

therapist wrote:

yamaz wrote:

grooki wrote:

yamaz wrote:So when you are recording or mixing live, do you set you tempo at 70bpm or 140bpm and WHY?

I've heard a few arguments from both sides so I'd like to continue the debate here

I don't really get this question... They are the same tempo. You could add in your question 35 bpm, 280 bpm, 560bpm. And this only applies if you have quantise on.

if quantise is on you might want to go to 140 or higher to beable to get the detail you like.

No they're not the same tempo at all, one is twice as fast. So you can either use 140 and half time your drum beat or use 70 bpm with normal time drum beat(since that's the real tempo of your drums) and then double time your synth and base lines.

Yes I mean with production or dj'ing.

I personally prefer to use 70bpm to write the drum pattern as when I hear that metronome click at the 140bpm rate I can't get the right groove.

What?

Hahah, agreed with what, for
"REAL tempo of your drums"

What do you mean, 'what'?

So any given song or drum loop is going to be at some specific tempo or bpm. Wtf is so confusing? The drums in dubstep are typically half time 140bpm or 70!

why don't you just zoom in if you want detail?

yamaz wrote:What do you mean, 'what'?

So any given song or drum loop is going to be at some specific tempo or bpm. Wtf is so confusing? The drums in dubstep are typically half time 140bpm or 70!

Yeah, what is so confusing about that guys?

Bpm - Beats per minute, what you define as a beat is upto you, end of.
Can we drop this now?

Crosby wrote:Bpm - Beats per minute, what you define as a beat is upto you, end of.
Can we drop this now?

Typically its kick drum/snare I thought, across the board in any genre....its the beat that your makes your head knod to.

to me it seems like there is slow and fast dubstep, that which is defined by the speed of said drums or bpm

........70 vs 140.

Bass killa shut up mate

yamaz wrote:

Crosby wrote:Bpm - Beats per minute, what you define as a beat is upto you, end of.
Can we drop this now?

Typically its kick drum/snare I thought, across the board in any genre....its the beat that your makes your head knod to.

to me it seems like there is slow and fast dubstep, that which is defined by the speed of said drums or bpm

........70 vs 140.

Ive been drumming a long time now, it doesnt matter what you count it at, trust me. it makes no difference at all.
Half time 140 with a kick on one and snare on three is exactly the same as 70 with kick on one and snare on two, so why are you arguing two of the same points against each other?

Is anyone really taking this serious? Waste thread. 70 and 140 are the same thing if you use the grid accordingly. The layout looks different, the sound is the same. Do the research, try it out. Waste.

I agree this is a wasteland thread but there's a pulse between the kick and snare imo. 140 with halftime drums, as in the backbeat is at halftime but the song as a whole has four pulses per bar at 140. The beat isn't dictated by the kick and snare, I have a track open right now that doesn't have a single kick on the beat and only one snare falls on beat every 2 bars. Depends on how philosophical you want to get about rhythm.

Lethargik wrote:why don't you just zoom in if you want detail?

we're talking quantization detail which is very handy for doing lil microglitches and rolls
ex:

yamaz wrote:What do you mean, 'what'?

So any given song or drum loop is going to be at some specific tempo or bpm. Wtf is so confusing? The drums in dubstep are typically half time 140bpm or 70!

Saying '70 bpm is the real tempo of your drums' just isn't right, that's all.