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In The Shadows wrote: In my head theres a heirarchy of credability when it comes to sound sourcing. In order of most credable to least credable acording to my snooty sealion beardstroker brain...



1 Synthesising/recording your own brand new sounds

2 Sampling an obscure old film/record

3 Sampling a recent/well known film/non dance music record

4 Using a synth/sampler preset

5 Using a sample found on the internet but not from dsf or doa

6 Using a sample cd not made by vengence or designed for dubstep/dnb/garage

7 Sampling a non dnb/dubstep dance record

8 Using a sample found on dsf or doa

9 Using a sample cd designed for dnb/dubstep or a vengence thing

10 Sampling a dnb/dubstep record

11 Sampling Skream/Loefah/Buirial

In The Shadows wrote:

Sharmaji wrote:"blue notes" is def. one of my fave dmz tracks, but that's 100% not a real sax, sampled or otherwise, in there.

great example of using the tools you have tho-- whether or not he wanted a real sax in there, he wrote a KILLER melody. seeing people sing along to this one in 2006/7...

yeah I made the comment just from memory of a sax being in there, went back and listened last night after I made that last post, out of interest, and thought 'actually, that could well be an nn-xt' Credit to Mala that it actually blatantly does sound like a bad sax preset and Id never really noticed before, it doesnt stick out like they normally do, hes handled the sound very well.

ammo wrote:

In The Shadows wrote:

ammo wrote:

Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?

I dont, it could be, would it matter though?

It doesn't matter to me in the slightest, it's a sick tune. It's relevant to the question I asked as you quoted it as an example of a great use of sampling but there's no evidence to say it is a sample n it appears that some people think its definitely not a sample. So it is relevant because if it sounds like a sample but it's not then it seems you can achieve the same level of quality without sampling. Which again leads me back to my opening post (where I already mentioned that I understand the use for little quotes etc). I understand what you are saying, I was wondering though if there are any big tracks that do not use any samples in contrast to everyones views here. Evidently I'll never really know without asking one of those producers. At some point Ill give sampling a try once I can do a bit more lol

of course the question was relevant, wasnt trying to challenge what youre asking my man, just saying that creatively it probably wont change any of our opinions on Malas skills either way which has its own relevance to the discussion. Hard to say if any tracks have been made in dubstep without samples, Id say no, that drum smaples and/or sampler patches have been used in everything Ive heard to the best of my knowledge, but definatly a fair few tracks out there that only use stock samples that come with the samplers people have.

Making your own sounds is always a more original and credable than stealing them, like Photek said in an interview 'the sounds there, I can just take it and use it, but Id rather make it myself'. Thing is a synth, as versitile an instrument as it is, can only make a narrow selection of sounds. If we want that real sounding sax, guitar, vocal, drum etc then we have to reach for the sampler, if we use a sample that came with our program and that everyone has in their daw or we load up our own sample weve sourced ourselves, its still a sample ultimatly. In some sense the stock patches are closer to the sample cd option in terms of how much effort you are putting in and individuality you are getting out than reaching for you album/film collection for something thats never been used in dubstep before.

In my head theres a heirarchy of credability when it comes to sound sourcing. In order of most credable to least credable acording to my snooty sealion beardstroker brain...



1 Synthesising/recording your own brand new sounds

2 Sampling an obscure old film/record

3 Sampling a recent/well known film/non dance music record

4 Using a synth/sampler preset

5 Using a sample found on the internet but not from dsf or doa

6 Using a sample cd not made by vengence or designed for dubstep/dnb/garage

7 Sampling a non dnb/dubstep dance record

8 Using a sample found on dsf or doa

9 Using a sample cd designed for dnb/dubstep or a vengence thing

10 Sampling a dnb/dubstep record

11 Sampling Skream/Loefah


shit gets a bit grey around number 6 for me, Ill go there in shame now and then when needs must, below that I get my snooty thing on and by number 11 Im shouting heresy and foaming at the mouth. Each to their own though, down to number 10 Im willing to call fair play if you want to go there

ammo wrote:

In The Shadows wrote:

Sharmaji wrote:"blue notes" is def. one of my fave dmz tracks, but that's 100% not a real sax, sampled or otherwise, in there.

great example of using the tools you have tho-- whether or not he wanted a real sax in there, he wrote a KILLER melody. seeing people sing along to this one in 2006/7...

yeah I made the comment just from memory of a sax being in there, went back and listened last night after I made that last post, out of interest, and thought 'actually, that could well be an nn-xt' Credit to Mala that it actually blatantly does sound like a bad sax preset and Id never really noticed before, it doesnt stick out like they normally do, hes handled the sound very well.

ammo wrote:

In The Shadows wrote:

ammo wrote:

Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?

I dont, it could be, would it matter though?

It doesn't matter to me in the slightest, it's a sick tune. It's relevant to the question I asked as you quoted it as an example of a great use of sampling but there's no evidence to say it is a sample n it appears that some people think its definitely not a sample. So it is relevant because if it sounds like a sample but it's not then it seems you can achieve the same level of quality without sampling. Which again leads me back to my opening post (where I already mentioned that I understand the use for little quotes etc). I understand what you are saying, I was wondering though if there are any big tracks that do not use any samples in contrast to everyones views here. Evidently I'll never really know without asking one of those producers. At some point Ill give sampling a try once I can do a bit more lol

of course the question was relevant, wasnt trying to challenge what youre asking my man, just saying that creatively it probably wont change any of our opinions on Malas skills either way which has its own relevance to the discussion. Hard to say if any tracks have been made in dubstep without samples, Id say no, that drum smaples and/or sampler patches have been used in everything Ive heard to the best of my knowledge, but definatly a fair few tracks out there that only use stock samples that come with the samplers people have.

Making your own sounds is always a more original and credable than stealing them, like Photek said in an interview 'the sounds there, I can just take it and use it, but Id rather make it myself'. Thing is a synth, as versitile an instrument as it is, can only make a narrow selection of sounds. If we want that real sounding sax, guitar, vocal, drum etc then we have to reach for the sampler, if we use a sample that came with our program and that everyone has in their daw or we load up our own sample weve sourced ourselves, its still a sample ultimatly. In some sense the stock patches are closer to the sample cd option in terms of how much effort you are putting in and individuality you are getting out than reaching for you album/film collection for something thats never been used in dubstep before.

In my head theres a heirarchy of credability when it comes to sound sourcing. In order of most credable to least credable acording to my snooty sealion beardstroker brain...



1 Synthesising/recording your own brand new sounds

2 Sampling an obscure old film/record

3 Sampling a recent/well known film/non dance music record

4 Using a synth/sampler preset

5 Using a sample found on the internet but not from dsf or doa

6 Using a sample cd not made by vengence or designed for dubstep/dnb/garage

7 Sampling a non dnb/dubstep dance record

8 Using a sample found on dsf or doa

9 Using a sample cd designed for dnb/dubstep or a vengence thing

10 Sampling a dnb/dubstep record

11 Sampling Skream/Loefah


shit gets a bit grey around number 6 for me, Ill go there in shame now and then when needs must, below that I get my snooty thing on and by number 11 Im shouting heresy and foaming at the mouth. Each to their own though, down to number 10 Im willing to call fair play if you want to go there

ah right its makin more sense now lol. only been producin 2 wks, will try use some obscure samples at some point lol. respect

nowaysj wrote:Why Sample?

Because I'll come around to your flat and beat your fucking face in if you don't start sampling.

nowaysj wrote:Why Sample?

Because I'll come around to your flat and beat your fucking face in if you don't start sampling.

deadly habit wrote:it's about how you use samples, not their source
unless you're a lazy fucker who commits musical tsecni within their own genre

nowaysj wrote: