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LA_Boxers wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

LA_Boxers wrote:Well seeing as Timbaland invented dubstep................gotta say the UK.

It really doesnt matter where the artists are from. Its about the sounds being made. I'd say the US was pushing the more jump-up/hype side of dubstep and the UK is more about the more minimal/deep side of things. That doesnt neccessarily mean one is better than the other....just peoples personal opinion. If you like jump-up you are more likely to say America........if you like the deep stuff your more likely to say UK.


Edit: And that was my 1000 post.....glad it wasnt just a bump or sumin. lol.

eh i'd say both sides of the pond push both sounds, just people like to think there's this big divide, the UK pushes the jump up stuff just as much as the US and same goes vice versa for deep
don't let a forum or some e-presence convince you otherwise

I was just struggling to think of more than a handful of American artists that push the 'deep' sound?

Edit: and by push the 'deep' sound i mean 'do it well'. Uk has soooooo many such as Tunnidge, Mala, Loefah, Cyrus, Kryptics, Fused Forces etc etc.

juju, asc, vaccine...
i mean the majority of the jump up dubstep anthem stuff honestly is in your backyard
regardless i think it comes down to what you look for and generational/age gaps and what background people came into the scene from

The only difference between the UK and US scene is that over in the UK, there are more people who went through the whole evolution of the music, from hardcore to jungle (and perhaps d&b) to UK Garage, to two-step to grime to early dubstep to wobblefest to the current state of affairs.
People who went through that whole thing in the US are pretty rare to be honest.
This doesn't make people 'from the other side of the pond' any less of a fan though, just a different sort of baggage most of them are carrying before coming into the whole dubstep thang.

I personally can hear this in a lot of US producers sound also, but there are plenty of US DJ's pushing deeper and forward thinking sounds.
And the UK has a lot of tear-out stuff too people...

I dont even know half the time so i truthfully just dont care where its comin from as long as i enjoy it.

DUBSTEPS THE ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

joeki wrote:The only difference between the UK and US scene is that over in the UK, there are more people who went through the whole evolution of the music, from hardcore to jungle (and perhaps d&b) to UK Garage, to two-step to grime to early dubstep to wobblefest to the current state of affairs.
People who went through that whole thing in the US are pretty rare to be honest.
This doesn't make people 'from the other side of the pond' any less of a fan though, just a different sort of baggage most of them are carrying before coming into the whole dubstep thang.

I personally can hear this in a lot of US producers sound also, but there are plenty of US DJ's pushing deeper and forward thinking sounds.
And the UK has a lot of tear-out stuff too people...

yea unfortunately electronic music isn't anywhere as big as the uk stateside...

While the UK scene is deeper, more diverse etc, I really like the WAR series - which is primarily (or exclusively?) American producers.
I like electronic music that has a strong song structure.
Basing a track around a sample of some 'real', or at least good, music is perhaps a short-cut, but I find too much of the 'deep' stuff coming out at the moment lacks melody.
Lots of stuff being hyped at the moment is simply well engineered/programmed/produced clicks, rhythms, and maybe day glow synth stabs. Mnml. Stripped-down. What-evs - I find many of the 'big names on the scene' to be making entirely boring records that I can't see being listened to in 3 years (or maybe less).
I've heard some American rap purists say that all electronic music is a derivative of hip-hop. While I strongly disagree with this generalisation, I do wish more producers used samples as to my ears at least, what they're doing isn't musical enough. Maybe they need to hook up with musicians to write them some basslines, chords, harmonies, bridges...

Hate away.

duderonomy wrote:While the UK scene is deeper, more diverse etc, I really like the WAR series - which is primarily (or exclusively?) American producers.
I like electronic music that has a strong song structure.
Basing a track around a sample of some 'real', or at least good, music is perhaps a short-cut, but I find too much of the 'deep' stuff coming out at the moment lacks melody.
Lots of stuff being hyped at the moment is simply well engineered/programmed/produced clicks, rhythms, and maybe day glow synth stabs. Mnml. Stripped-down. What-evs - I find many of the 'big names on the scene' to be making entirely boring records that I can't see being listened to in 3 years (or maybe less).
I've heard some American rap purists say that all electronic music is a derivative of hip-hop. While I strongly disagree with this generalisation, I do wish more producers used samples as to my ears at least, what they're doing isn't musical enough. Maybe they need to hook up with musicians to write them some basslines, chords, harmonies, bridges...

Hate away.

yeah i agree that a lot of the stuff, like the WAR series, is based a lot round samples of well-known songs etc, but i like the minimalness of some of the european stuff.
don't get me wrong i've got a real soft spot for reggae samples in dubstep though. for instance mungo's hifi have some downright bangers that are basically reggae/dub tunes. BUT they tend to make their own riddims and not reuse old ones, unlike a lot of other reggae influenced stuff.

wehlfest wrote:At some shows in the U.S., I've seen glow sticks, hula-hoopers and molly.

This definitely make me less interested in the scene here as well.

I saw glow sticks at a DMZ.... smh

Its only ever been about the UK for me

joeki wrote:The only difference between the UK and US scene is that over in the UK, there are more people who went through the whole evolution of the music, from hardcore to jungle (and perhaps d&b) to UK Garage, to two-step to grime to early dubstep

It's true that alot of people in the U.S. are getting into electronic music for the first time with dubstep. I've had to explain to one guy (American)
what exactly the DJ was doing up there with a laptop and serato because they just didn't know.

wehlfest wrote:At some shows in the U.S., I've seen glow sticks, hula-hoopers and molly.

This definitely make me less interested in the scene here as well.

sadly, that's what it's all about where I am. except at our shows we have kids selling meth as molly! joy!!

joeki wrote:The only difference between the UK and US scene is that over in the UK, there are more people who went through the whole evolution of the music, from hardcore to jungle (and perhaps d&b) to UK Garage, to two-step to grime to early dubstep to wobblefest to the current state of affairs.
People who went through that whole thing in the US are pretty rare to be honest.

this.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

pkay wrote:
Nero is playing at Subterranean on dec 4th. i think that's 18+

18+ is rough due to the alcohol thing

Fuck yeah i'm there!

Definitely try to take the megabus to St. Louis as well. I'm originally from there and there has been tons of 18+ shows as of late. Check these websites/facebooks for shows:

http://nastyrumor.info/ (promoting mainly dubstep in STL)

http://loyalfamily.com/ (promoting pretty much every show in STL)

jamesgarfield wrote:

wehlfest wrote:At some shows in the U.S., I've seen glow sticks, hula-hoopers and molly.

This definitely make me less interested in the scene here as well.

sadly, that's what it's all about where I am. except at our shows we have kids selling meth as molly! joy!!

3x that sucks dude. although the people that are into the whole burning man thing, so i've heard, will do the same to someone they know burns people, like sell them '3 months in Oz' level doses of acid and say its only like 2 hits. which imho might not be the best option for dealing with that situation, however... what city are you in? dubstep... meth.. sounds like portland...

i was living in chicago and going to smartbar to see UK guys that were touring, and it was chill, then I moved and all of a sudden its like candy raver 2.0. I guess they all saw Party Monsters in middle school and decided they were goign to have "party monster themed" weekend experiences at various electronic music events. [/rant] I mean its cool if thats what people want to do, I just wish the sets were more interesting for those of us that are not perhaps on drugs.

+1 for SmartBar. I saw Caspa, Benga and Skream there. When the sound is dialed in it sounds so goooood. Funktion 1 ftw.

Lovin' the basement vibe there too. Great layout, great venue for these shows.

Not much of the candy flippin' rave vibe there either. I recommend SmartBar highly. Mala played there not too long ago as well.

iamjoncannon wrote:

jamesgarfield wrote:

wehlfest wrote:At some shows in the U.S., I've seen glow sticks, hula-hoopers and molly.

This definitely make me less interested in the scene here as well.

sadly, that's what it's all about where I am. except at our shows we have kids selling meth as molly! joy!!

3x that sucks dude. although the people that are into the whole burning man thing, so i've heard, will do the same to someone they know burns people, like sell them '3 months in Oz' level doses of acid and say its only like 2 hits. which imho might not be the best option for dealing with that situation, however... what city are you in? dubstep... meth.. sounds like portland...

ha the 'burning man' crowd, from my moderate experience going to festivals like bonnaroo and shit like that when I was younger, are the scum of the earth. It's a crying shame dubstep got big in the jamband circuit and now we have that kind of thing at electronic shows now. I'm in Huntsville, AL by the way...that explains it right?

portland has a very well developed scene, haven't ever been offered meth at a show

Not sure if it is true, but I heard dubstep DJ's were opening for jamtronica bands like Lotus.

What a weird concept imo.

wehlfest wrote:Not sure if it is true, but I heard dubstep DJ's were opening for jamtronica bands like Lotus.

What a weird concept imo.

it is true. honestly, I'm all for it in theory. ya know, so more people are exposed to this awesome music I love, etc. blah blah..but it has sort of ushered in a group of people that are more into drugs than music, and that is lame.

ever heard of the nitrous mafia? yeah...

jamesgarfield wrote: I'm in Huntsville, AL by the way...that explains it right?

Yeah that does it explain it. Is there like a huge dubstep scene in huntsville that I haven't heard of for some reason? (I'm from nashville)

fractal wrote:portland has a very well developed scene, haven't ever been offered meth at a show

didn't mean to offend, a buddy of mine lived in portland and said there was A) a lot of dubstep and B) even more meth.

iamjoncannon wrote:

jamesgarfield wrote: I'm in Huntsville, AL by the way...that explains it right?

Yeah that does it explain it. Is there like a huge dubstep scene in huntsville that I haven't heard of for some reason? (I'm from nashville)

nah..I was putting on shows for about a year. quit because they became overrun by aforementioned druggy assholes and uninteresting local "talent"

fractal wrote:portland has a very well developed scene, haven't ever been offered meth at a show

portlands scene is the shit.... one of the last great breakcore refuges in the US