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magma wrote: Seems best just to let people get along with it inside their own heads.

if only people could keep their superstitions there.

About as interesting as trying to figure out what happened to the square wheel

deadly habit wrote:when that vehemence leads to prejudice and bigotry when both sides just are seeking an answer to what is unknown and ultimately a quest for our own mortality and the world around us...
people have the right to pursue what makes them happy as long as it's not affecting others
science is constantly evolving theories and disproving previous discoveries and i doubt in my lifetime there will be definitive proof of the meaning of life
not all religious people believe in an omnipotent god either
the quest for the answers is what makes us human
wasting your life arguing about who is right when there is no definitive answer for either side is just that, a waste
things aren't always black and white

deadly habit wrote:when that vehemence leads to prejudice and bigotry when both sides just are seeking an answer to what is unknown and ultimately a quest for our own mortality and the world around us...
people have the right to pursue what makes them happy as long as it's not affecting others
science is constantly evolving theories and disproving previous discoveries and i doubt in my lifetime there will be definitive proof of the meaning of life
not all religious people believe in an omnipotent god either
the quest for the answers is what makes us human
wasting your life arguing about who is right when there is no definitive answer for either side is just that, a waste
things aren't always black and white

vehemence has nothing to do with prejudice, bigotry, freedom or anything, people have...
all things are or are not, there is nothing more b/w than this

vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

if you actually believe that i'm not going to waste my time trying to explain how vehemence contributes to extremism and how passing that belief down generation to generation is a huge contributing factor to bigotry and prejudice
also schrödinger's cat, one of the foundations of quantum physics is a paradox, there is no right or wrong. do you even have the slightest understanding what quantum physics and mechanics are?

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

quantum physics is a probablistic theory isnt it? unless you mean the entire theory is either right or wrong?

noam wrote:

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

quantum physics is a probablistic theory isnt it? unless you mean the entire theory is either right or wrong?

yep, though you can't call an entire theory right or wrong when the result doesn't occur until observation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat
for just scratching the surface

deadly habit wrote:

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

if you actually believe that i'm not going to waste my time trying to explain how vehemence contributes to extremism and how passing that belief down generation to generation is a huge contributing factor to bigotry and prejudice
also schrödinger's cat, one of the foundations of quantum physics is a paradox, there is no right or wrong. do you even have the slightest understanding what quantum physics and mechanics are?

i like people that are extremely committed to the truth, not enough of them, i wish i was more of it. moderates made a mess out of truth and reality, trying to polish corners so more people would feel comfortable with it. but truth is not something fabricated by us to serve our comfort, it its what it is, and that comfort and what brought it is a lie too. there is no way you can answer correctly about the existence of something in more ways than yes or no.
there is or there is not truth in every word we say, there is no moderate option about it.

quantum physics never says anything about gray areas, but about possibilities/probabilities.
or maybe you say quantums are right and wrong same time? then why should i take them for real if they are wrong same time?
i've made a thread here where i solved all paradoxes people could come up with. there are no such things as paradoxes, just faulty logic.
quantum physics are based on faulty logic, i don't believe that stuff.

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

i actually salute you for thinking this way.

qwaycee_ wrote:

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:vehemence has everything to do with it, the muslim community center in nyc controversy and the coverage, hell turn on the news just about any time and tell me that the vehement arguments made by religious leaders and media outlets aren't stirring up prejudice and bigotry

and yet within the scientific field there are fields such as quantum physics/mechanics where things are not black nor white, and fields like astrophysics that have placeholder words like dark matter and things like black holes...

of course the prejudice and bigotry were there before any vehement argument stirred them, and they are stirred by anything that's not conform. yeah, vehemence stirs shit, and that's why it is good, it shows people what THEY MADE and they have to clean up. but there is no causality between the existence of vehemence and the EXISTANCE of bigotry and prejudice.

and quantum physics are either right or wrong, there is no moderate option for it.

i actually salute you for thinking this way.

then thank you for reading carefully and being open, it rarely happens around here

ick semantics not even getting into that
truth is a term that gets tossed about way too lightly
i'm bowing down out of this

deadly habit wrote:ick semantics not even getting into that
truth is a term that gets tossed about way too lightly
i'm bowing down out of this

it's nothing about semantics or how you weight the way truth is tossed, you bow out because there ARE NOT good arguments that can be made against what i said. and not because i say it, i'm just an observer/messenger, but because objectively there ARE NOT.
it's lame when people don't have the balls to admit the point they defended can't be defended anymore, and they use all sorts of excuses to avoid saying the unpolished uncomfortable truth: "i don't recognize the strength of your arguments because i take that as a personal defeat, but i can't come up with more powerful arguments either"

each time i was proven wrong i got much smarter than when i was proven right!

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:ick semantics not even getting into that
truth is a term that gets tossed about way too lightly
i'm bowing down out of this

it's nothing about semantics or how you weight the way truth is tossed, you bow out because there ARE NOT good arguments that can be made against what i said. and not because i say it, i'm just an observer/messenger, but because objectively there ARE NOT.
it's lame when people don't have the balls to admit the point they defended can't be defended anymore, and they use all sorts of excuses to avoid saying the unpolished uncomfortable (it shouldn't be so if the attitude is right) truth: "i don't recognize the strength of your arguments because i take that as a personal defeat, but i can't come up with more powerful arguments either"

each time i was proven wrong i got much smarter than when i was proven right!

no it's that i'm not going to bother arguing with a brick wall

deadly habit wrote:

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:ick semantics not even getting into that
truth is a term that gets tossed about way too lightly
i'm bowing down out of this

it's nothing about semantics or how you weight the way truth is tossed, you bow out because there ARE NOT good arguments that can be made against what i said. and not because i say it, i'm just an observer/messenger, but because objectively there ARE NOT.
it's lame when people don't have the balls to admit the point they defended can't be defended anymore, and they use all sorts of excuses to avoid saying the unpolished uncomfortable (it shouldn't be so if the attitude is right) truth: "i don't recognize the strength of your arguments because i take that as a personal defeat, but i can't come up with more powerful arguments either"

each time i was proven wrong i got much smarter than when i was proven right!

no it's that i'm not going to bother arguing with a brick wall

i'm glad you admit the arguments i observed and provided here are solid as a brick wall. i say they are solid as mountain

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

gargantuan wrote:

deadly habit wrote:ick semantics not even getting into that
truth is a term that gets tossed about way too lightly
i'm bowing down out of this

it's nothing about semantics or how you weight the way truth is tossed, you bow out because there ARE NOT good arguments that can be made against what i said. and not because i say it, i'm just an observer/messenger, but because objectively there ARE NOT.
it's lame when people don't have the balls to admit the point they defended can't be defended anymore, and they use all sorts of excuses to avoid saying the unpolished uncomfortable (it shouldn't be so if the attitude is right) truth: "i don't recognize the strength of your arguments because i take that as a personal defeat, but i can't come up with more powerful arguments either"

each time i was proven wrong i got much smarter than when i was proven right!

no it's that i'm not going to bother arguing with a brick wall

i'm glad you admit the arguments i observed and provided here are solid as a brick wall. i say they are solid as mountain

yeah, too bad you didn't really mean it and you called me a brick wall, admitting you were arguing with me, not with the arguments i brought to the table. that is taking things to a personal level, despite the fact that i tried to keep things impersonal and i didn't ask for any merits to be recognized.
it's like this most of the times, no worries... people prefer to forget than to ask themselves: "but why couldn't i actually come up with a nice argument against that shit? if i'm smart and i know what i'm talking about i should be able to formulate the truth in a way that makes the other guy blame things like semantics and find a way to bow out"

i tell you the answer: because NO ONE can find such arguments. so that's not your fault or my merit, it's just REALITY

Mountains are eroded by drips,
crumble and fall.
As constructs against the inevitable,
brick walls are more humble.

sd5 wrote:Mountains are eroded by drips,
crumble and fall.
As constructs against the inevitable,
brick walls are more humble.

ahhh, this makes all the sense and changes everything: brick walls are more humble than mountains are solid...
solid contribution as always, a bit of sd5 was missing here to clutter even more the minds of the semantically challenged people