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wub wrote:

alphacat wrote:It's still as hard as it ever was to write a good song though.

The issue is not enough producers taking time to actually learn to produce before they start throwing tunes out into the great online abyss.

aha yes you sir are right about this. My friend started producing the same time I did (but my comp crashed a month later and had no comp or anything for 3 months) and he doesn't even know what a DAW is he uses Logic like myself and he doesn't know a lot of things he just wants to produce so he can be "famous" he even said so! he produces electro house, it sounds good though...

polygonfiction wrote:Breaking in to production has never been easier, good, original production will never be easy.

most people just don't have good original ideas. It isn't easy to get props from people with good taste. Nor is it easy to make truly great music that people will remember.

wub wrote:

alphacat wrote:It's still as hard as it ever was to write a good song though.

The issue is not enough producers taking time to actually learn to produce before they start throwing tunes out into the great online abyss.

I don't see why throwing out one of my tunes for people to hear every once in awhile is such a bad thing? People seem to like them, I don't let many people download them.

mr op, if it's so easy, why don't you show us some of your amazing tracks.

shaneynclan wrote:mr op, if it's so easy, why don't you show us some of your amazing tracks.

If the OP is who I think they are, you might get put in your place.

tavravlavish wrote:

wub wrote:

alphacat wrote:It's still as hard as it ever was to write a good song though.

The issue is not enough producers taking time to actually learn to produce before they start throwing tunes out into the great online abyss.

I don't see why throwing out one of my tunes for people to hear every once in awhile is such a bad thing? People seem to like them, I don't let many people download them.

Of course not, there is nothing bad about it whatsoever; the WIP/Finished Tracks threads are good examples of that. But there is a difference between putting some tracks out there for critique, and people who spend their time spamming tracks that aren't quite at a level where they should be given over for mass consumption.

Like, when threads get started (on here, for example) of people saying that they're looking to be signed, and then you listen to said track they would like signing...

It's harder now to make a name for yourself than it was a decade or so ago. Easier to get started, harder to get anywhere (unless you're really into promo and shameless spamming)

wub wrote:

shaneynclan wrote:mr op, if it's so easy, why don't you show us some of your amazing tracks.

If the OP is who I think they are, you might get put in your place.

I didn't rule out that possibility.

shaneynclan wrote:

wub wrote:

shaneynclan wrote:mr op, if it's so easy, why don't you show us some of your amazing tracks.

If the OP is who I think they are, you might get put in your place.

I didn't rule out that possibility.

I'd like to see this happen. And if he blows us all away, maybe a Q&A. It'd be interesting to find out if some of us are just approaching things incorrectly.

I find certain aspects of Producing to be easy, like Copy and Paste....that still doesn't write a song for me (though I've seen some get by).

Beyond that, I think its as difficult or easy as you want it to be. Technical doesn't always equal better in music, and sometimes really good songs come easily.

I think that says more about the creative process than it does about producing.

yeah i didn't really mean to be like "i'm a good producer and other people aren't" or anything like that. I just went for a provocative thread title!

so what I meant was, does anyone think that the ease of entry to music production these days has a downside? Like, it takes a lot longer to sort through the chaff to find the good stuff (uh, wheat); there seem to be a lot more soundalikes jumping on every bandwagon... etc?

like i said, i get sent upwards of 500 tracks a week, and my goodness if i hear any more people ripping off the night slugs sound i will scream...

(liking these corn smilies btw)


but i think sharmaji is on the money really:

creating crap tunes and spamming them to people via any of the dozens of available internet avenues... is too easy.

writing a good song is as much of a challenge as it ever was, regardless of tools.

bassmusic wrote:yeah i didn't really mean to be like "i'm a good producer and other people aren't" or anything like that. I just went for a provocative thread title!

so what I meant was, does anyone think that the ease of entry to music production these days has a downside? Like, it takes a lot longer to sort through the chaff to find the good stuff (uh, wheat); there seem to be a lot more soundalikes jumping on every bandwagon... etc?

like i said, i get sent upwards of 500 tracks a week, and my goodness if i hear any more people ripping off the night slugs sound i will scream...

(liking these corn smilies btw)


but i think sharmaji is on the money really:

creating crap tunes and spamming them to people via any of the dozens of available internet avenues... is too easy.

writing a good song is as much of a challenge as it ever was, regardless of tools.

oh dear, one i have pending at the moment sounds quite night slugsy haha, what would you describe as the typical night slugs sound rip off though?

and also someone said before about how skrillex, and datsik etc put loads of time into producing and shit, and i dont think your really on about them are you? i mean i dont really like there tunes much, but they do sound good quality, you can tell they know what they are doing, but there is a lot of shit out there.

and yeah like, i like the how easy it is to get into producing these days as it has allowed me to start producing, but you do get people who write their first track and send it to everyone! but do they think its good themselves though, i now think and used to think my first tracks i made were absolute dogshite, and i could tell there was a huge difference between mine, and the stuff i liked to listen to, but some just dont seem to get that.

OP: and that's exactly what the majority (everything?) of tech-house sounds like....

vulvavibration wrote:OP: and that's exactly what the majority (everything?) of tech-house sounds like....

ahaha yes it drives me up the wall! tech-house in fact is a much much worse criminal for this sort of shit than dubstep IMO. the beatport tech house top 10 just sounds like lift music these days....

in answer to your other q, er, a bit like LVis1990 but without the good ideas? heheh - so don't worry, make sure it's a good tune, put your own signature on it and all will be well!

but yeah you know what i'm getting at. i'm not the biggest fan of excision's stuff but he's clearly extremely good at what he does, and he was also one of the first people to do that 'technical wobble' kind of sound. so i respect him for that. but then 18 months later you get a ton of labels called things like BRODETH releasing watered down versions of that sound...

hey ho. the way of the world i guess.

bassmusic wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:OP: and that's exactly what the majority (everything?) of tech-house sounds like....

ahaha yes it drives me up the wall! tech-house in fact is a much much worse criminal for this sort of shit than dubstep IMO. the beatport tech house top 10 just sounds like lift music these days....

in answer to your other q, er, a bit like LVis1990 but without the good ideas? heheh - so don't worry, make sure it's a good tune, put your own signature on it and all will be well!

but yeah you know what i'm getting at. i'm not the biggest fan of excision's stuff but he's clearly extremely good at what he does, and he was also one of the first people to do that 'technical wobble' kind of sound. so i respect him for that. but then 18 months later you get a ton of labels called things like BRODETH releasing watered down versions of that sound...

hey ho. the way of the world i guess.

Popular sells, that doesn't make it any less difficult to get good/known, regardless of the sound you're pushing it's a real pain in the ass.

Sounds like you're on about the cookie cutter-ness of it rather than the actual ability that goes into it.

Production or recording of a track is as basic or as complex as want it to be. That doesn't mean getting it to sound great is easy though, mixing it to sound great is the hard part!

If you honestly think you can just grab a couple presets and some samples from a pack, throw them in a session and instantly create a great sounding track, then you need to get in the real world. If it was that easy we wouldn't have people like Benga, Mj Cole, Masters At Work, Goldie etc. Even the younger people like Benga have spent years perfecting their production and mixing skills, and the older people are so good at it because they've been practicing and repeating these techniques for years and years.

There is a downside to how easy it is to get into making music these days, and that is that the people who clearly don't have the talent to do can do it easy as pie with a computer and a copy of reason, or something similar thats very easy to get hold of. People these days also think that they can skip the first 2-3 or 4-5 years, however long it takes to hone that knowledge and skill, by buying their way onto a course and be taught 'mr so and so' who is an 'industry professional. Thats not the way it works. Taking a production course will never beat the years and years it can take you to learn something yourself, its just the slightly lazy option imo, for people who are too carless to put their time into however long it might take and would rather go with a 2 year course.

alphacat wrote:It's still as hard as it ever was to write a good song though.

I don't need to read any further, I just wanted to make sure someone made this point. It actually seems like the easier it gets, the harder it gets to write something good. Of the half billion dubstep artists we now have I don't think there is any more quality than when there was 50 worldwide.

bassmusic wrote: like i said, i get sent upwards of 500 tracks a week, and my goodness if i hear any more people ripping off the night slugs sound i will scream...

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I wrote a track named Slugs once. I used samples from this youtube trailer...



True story!

Maaan, that film looks bad

I think producing takes a lot of time, and producing good sounds a lot more.

In my case, this is really recent ( a month ago) but this is really important to make mistakes, to do "unfinished" tracks, to experiment, to be lost in synthetisers. This way you can make music you wanna hear, and have feedbacks. My final goal isn't to be signed on a label or something like that, I just wanna enjoy the processing of create a song.

So yeah, production is too easy, good production is a little bit more. then you just have to sort out what makes you say "that's good !"

bassmusic wrote:any old joe can load up a professional sounding synth in logic, grab a load of samples off a good quality sample pack, throw them together and come out with a clean, crisp, clear mixdown that 10 years ago a pro engineer woulda spent all day trying to achieve. i've seen some big names do exactly that, in fact

feels like we beseiged by well-produced, characterless blandness these days

Stop trying to sound insightful and contradictive, your a fool. People like you just think they are good and in reality cant lick the filth from even the most unknown producers, it seems like everyone on this forum posts there stuff and they dont even know anything about song structure or making a dirty sounding dubstep track, which is what dubstep is about baby, filthy beasts breaking down your woofers!

Dubstepfiend wrote:

bassmusic wrote:any old joe can load up a professional sounding synth in logic, grab a load of samples off a good quality sample pack, throw them together and come out with a clean, crisp, clear mixdown that 10 years ago a pro engineer woulda spent all day trying to achieve. i've seen some big names do exactly that, in fact

feels like we beseiged by well-produced, characterless blandness these days

Stop trying to sound insightful and contradictive, your a fool. People like you just think they are good and in reality cant lick the filth from even the most unknown producers, it seems like everyone on this forum posts there stuff and they dont even know anything about song structure or making a dirty sounding dubstep track, which is what dubstep is about baby, filthy beasts breaking down your woofers!

haha, TWAT!