"Heavy" or "Deep dubstep"

Kes-Es · Post by **Kes-Es** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:32 pm

legend4ry wrote:
Kes-Es wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
Personally, I find it hard to process sounds so I would say I find tear out harder to produce though - I have made a couple of scorchers!
I never understand why people immediately think you have to resample and split frequency and all that other processing nonsense to get decent brostep sounds, I don't do any of that at all, all my sounds come straight out of albino and I get a lot of ups on them. I tend to think the vast majority of Tearout production is OVERcomplicated, especially around here, I don't know exactly what the pros are doing, but I reckon a few of them got together and made up a bunch of really complicated production techniques to take the piss out of everyone trying to copy them.

As for this question, I produce both and it depends on my mood which one is easier, I think people have built a wall between them in their heads but it's all production and composing, you can have all the technique in the world and still be a shitty songwriter in either genre.

Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.
I didn't even mean resampling or frequency splitting I am quite bad at using fx apart from reverb and phasers.. I have Amplitube and just flick through presets till I find something nice for distortion and things like that, its one of those things I can never get "right".

Fair enough, I reckon you could probably achieve more through synthesis than via distortion and other post-synth effects, though.

nylle · Post by **nylle** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:17 pm

Kes-Es wrote: Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.

what's not to understand about that?

skwiggo · Post by **skwiggo** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:23 pm

i cant get into the majority of 'heavy' dubstep and when i produce dubstep its usually 'deep' (although i hate it being called 'deep' or 'chilled'!).

However I think heavy dubstep is probably harder to produce. For me anyway. I think part of it is to do with the processing and effects on the midrange sounds. I can't be that pedantic about bass sounds with resampling etc. Another part of it though I think is everytime i've tried to make a 'brostep' tune for fun I can't go ahead with it for more than 32 bars cause i get bored with it. I dont find it musically satisfying so i find it hard to produce. Wheras something like basic channel esque dub techno using just a DAW is also hard to produce and also requires a lot of thought and patience because your using complex fx chains to process the sound to emulate hardware. However cause I can appreciate the sound I can actually bring myself to dare to produce it haha

Kes-Es · Post by **Kes-Es** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:58 pm

nylle wrote:
Kes-Es wrote: Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.
what's not to understand about that?

Well I mean I get it I guess because I can do it, shit starts to get really busy sounding, feels cluttered, and it just doesn't gel with me.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:05 am

Kes-Es wrote:
nylle wrote:
Kes-Es wrote: Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.
what's not to understand about that?
Well I mean I get it I guess because I can do it, shit starts to get really busy sounding, feels cluttered, and it just doesn't gel with me.

I can help you with this if you want man - I am quite good at the 'ole percussion

get at me on aim!

corpu5 · Post by **corpu5** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:35 am

doesn't really matter if it's heavy or deep, if it lacks groove, space and soul then it'll be forgetable anyways. Thats what dubstep's all about.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:37 am

idiots regardless, fun time
you're all fucking idiiots

therook · Post by **therook** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:11 am

corpu5 wrote:doesn't really matter if it's heavy or deep, if it lacks groove, space and soul then it'll be forgetable anyways. Thats what dubstep's all about.

Simple, Deep, & emotional. No need for 20 hi hats, shakers, tams, toms, blips & blops.

If you want to hear some good deep dubstep check out mixes by Antics Midnite Run or BunZero.

CBK81 · Post by **CBK81** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:30 am

I love all styles of dubstep. I like to produce harder stuff, but I toy around with deep tunes for fun. I never put them out there though, mostly cuz I never finish them. The key in either form is to be a good producer and use good sounds that sound good together.

nylle · Post by **nylle** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:38 am

therook wrote:
corpu5 wrote:doesn't really matter if it's heavy or deep, if it lacks groove, space and soul then it'll be forgetable anyways. Thats what dubstep's all about.
Simple, Deep, & emotional. No need for 20 hi hats, shakers, tams, toms, blips & blops.

If you want to hear some good deep dubstep check out mixes by Antics Midnite Run or BunZero.

i respectfully disagree

shakers and blips and blops can really add to percussion if used sparingly and creatively

therook · Post by **therook** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:46 am

nylle wrote:
therook wrote:
corpu5 wrote:doesn't really matter if it's heavy or deep, if it lacks groove, space and soul then it'll be forgetable anyways. Thats what dubstep's all about.
Simple, Deep, & emotional. No need for 20 hi hats, shakers, tams, toms, blips & blops.

If you want to hear some good deep dubstep check out mixes by Antics Midnite Run or BunZero.
i respectfully disagree

shakers and blips and blops can really add to percussion if used sparingly and creatively

Opps I think I worded that wrong. What I mean is do more with less. Whatever makes you happy

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:48 am

of yp mever played on a kit or never touched an mpc. don't say the words swing or groove

zonetrooper5 · Post by **zonetrooper5** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:26 am

To get back to the main point of this thread, I would say it depends on the producer/musician themselves. I myself find it easier to produce the more chilled out dark side of dubstep than the jump up heavy side of the dubstep. I can make the basslines for the heavy stuff I just can't seem to make into something which people will dance to.

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serox · Post by **serox** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:41 am

When you say ‘heavy’ I guess you mean stuff like Dats1k/Tunn1dge etc

To me there music sounds like random drums that do not go together. They also tend to have the same very generic formula (intro with hi hats, basic drum pattern, random movie sample of some garbage, sweep and drop with a mid/hi noise with a sub under it) that is predictable and done loads of times before (even by themselves) so your kinda left feeling slightly let down tbh. It also sounds like they put a few blocks on a grid with whatever plugin is cool at the moment and then flick through pre-set sounds to find something that ‘stands out’ and it does not matter if it fits with what is already down so it does not gel. Put all of those things above together and I think it is hard to even say they have their own style or are unique. You know when you watch a Massive tut on Youtube and the bloke doing the vid puts down a quick drum pattern on the spot? That’s the same drum pattern I keep hearing in ‘heavy’ tracks. I hate listening to tracks and getting the feeling they did not start this fresh but instead just hit the right arrow on the sampler to select the next drum and change a few settings on the Massive patch they made last week and call it a new track.

When you say ‘Deep’ I am guessing you mean people like Burial, Mala, Synkro, Darqwan and Loefah. Each of these guys have their own style and flow and trying to replicate that human touch and flare is nearly impossible because they do things there way. When I listen to Mala his tracks sound like he starts every sound from a default patch and makes it his own sound to fit with what he has done or where he wants to go. There drums all go perfect together and the flow of the tracks is gold and takes serious talent I think.

Btw there are a lot of people who call their music 'deep' but I dont think it even comes close. Just because you are not using Techno drums with a mid range noise and have a few floaty pads does not mean you have successfully made a deep track. Deep and interesting is serious.

stereotactic · Post by **stereotactic** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:58 pm

To get back to the main point of this thread, I would say it depends on the producer/musician themselves. I myself find it easier to produce the more chilled out dark side of dubstep than the jump up heavy side of the dubstep. I can make the basslines for the heavy stuff I just can't seem to make into something which people will dance to

Dammit I got almost to the end of the thread before someone posted exactly what I was thinking

It totally depends on the individual. When I DJ, it is almost always the harder stuff because I just like to brock out a little when playing, and I have always been the same... I can't produce that kind of music for shit though. Every time I sit down to write something, it always comes out chilled. A lot of the music I listen to outside of dubstep is downtempo, electronica and general chill out, ambient kind of stuff and I guess that is what influences me.

So the original question was 'which is easier' to produce, and the answer is 'whichever style naturally resonates with you personally'. Not that any of it is 'easy' mind.

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:05 pm

deadly habit wrote:of yp mever played on a kit or never touched an mpc. don't say the words swing or groove

Take a multivitamin and get some kip yeah?

Perfecture · Post by **Perfecture** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:00 pm

I much prefer listening to the heavy dubstep and producing it (trying anyway

).
But I respect the deep stuff alot and all the other 'sub genres' of dubstep.

I always try and listen to all types dubstep. especially the early stuff as I feel its good to have knowledge of where a genre came from and know its roots. It helps in understanding how a genre developed and how the pioneers achieved what they did.

I don't mind admitting at all that I love listening to Skrillex, Datsik, Flux Pavillion, Dubba Jonny, Funtcase, Reso, Depone, Downlink etc I would love to be able to produce stuff like these guys and hopefully soon I will be able to.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:15 pm

Oh shit, Depone you got lumped in there!

So clearly the whole "no subgenres in dubstep" thing didn't happen.... this became clear to me when, on a flyer, the opening dj's were listed as playing "chillstep/brostep/dubstep."

At what point do I have to go to a shop and ask what's new in neurostep?

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:18 pm

Dubstep is a SUB genre...get it?? SUB genre

Get it? Like, sub, yeah? Do you get it?

I'm wasting my talent on this board.

JemGrover · Post by **JemGrover** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:21 pm

paravrais wrote:Dubstep is a SUB genre...get it?? SUB genre Get it? Like, sub, yeah? Do you get it?

I'm wasting my talent on this board.

BOOM.

Man makes sense.

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