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Mad EP wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about - but you sure as hell didn't read my posts.

Sorry man I quoted the wrong post.

It was aimed at this;

zerbaman wrote:Mozart and Bach were already accomplished musicians, on a global scale, when they were alive. Dubstep is a predominantley underground genre, deep in particular, I doubt that any dubstep producers will be ranked as highly as Mozart or Bach in 100 years time.

FuzionDubstep wrote:I mean in terms of football, sports, singing dancing etc.... you are born good really, and i know you can practise but at the end of the day for these things your either good or your not, whereas with music we all have the same oppurtunitys in terms of software and we all have an even chance at making music... so what makes a producer good is it creativity, practise or what?

please answer i think we might get some good answers here

i don't know really maybe a lot of people will find a song sounding good and tell there friends who have similar interests in music and most likely they will like it too. then it spreads I guess.

What makes a good producer is a producer who makes good music, as if that wasn't obvious already...
Seriously though, I think a good producer can switch up styles and think progressively while making tracks, and just be willing and committed to learning as much as possible. Comparing Bach and Mozart to dubstep is kind of retarded though.

paravrais wrote:

FuzionDubstep wrote:I mean in terms of football, sports, singing dancing etc.... you are born good really, and i know you can practise but at the end of the day for these things your either good or your not, whereas with music we all have the same oppurtunitys in terms of software and we all have an even chance at making music... so what makes a producer good is it creativity, practise or what?

please answer i think we might get some good answers here

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haha this is a good post, i think a good producer is one who ever can live off their music, personally!

Gourmet wrote:

paravrais wrote:

FuzionDubstep wrote:I mean in terms of football, sports, singing dancing etc.... you are born good really, and i know you can practise but at the end of the day for these things your either good or your not, whereas with music we all have the same oppurtunitys in terms of software and we all have an even chance at making music... so what makes a producer good is it creativity, practise or what?

please answer i think we might get some good answers here

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Biggest.

Load.

Of.

Crap.

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Take a sip on your Hater-ade!
haha this is a good post, i think a good producer is one who ever can live off their music, personally!

So your saying there are virtually no good producers in the world?

tylerblue wrote:I find music production similar to domestic violence. There's really no rhyme or reason, you just throw that bitch wherever you feel like at the moment.

haha i lol'd

3za wrote:

Mad EP wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about - but you sure as hell didn't read my posts.

Sorry man I quoted the wrong post.

It was aimed at this;

zerbaman wrote:Mozart and Bach were already accomplished musicians, on a global scale, when they were alive. Dubstep is a predominantley underground genre, deep in particular, I doubt that any dubstep producers will be ranked as highly as Mozart or Bach in 100 years time.

Hahaha - that makes a lot more sense now!

Gourmet wrote:

paravrais wrote:

FuzionDubstep wrote:I mean in terms of football, sports, singing dancing etc.... you are born good really, and i know you can practise but at the end of the day for these things your either good or your not, whereas with music we all have the same oppurtunitys in terms of software and we all have an even chance at making music... so what makes a producer good is it creativity, practise or what?

please answer i think we might get some good answers here

0.o

Biggest.

Load.

Of.

Crap.

Ever.

Take a sip on your Hater-ade!
haha this is a good post, i think a good producer is one who ever can live off their music, personally!

*I'm* the one hating?? I was trying to point out that ANYONE can be amazing at whatever they choose. It's about dedication and hard work. Do you seriously believe [insert famous sports name here] was born that good? No. They trained real fucking hard, to the point of lunacy for many many years to get to that point.

EDN wrote:Dedication and practice is what makes people good at anything. If you do it every day you will eventually get good at it.
Creativity comes with practice, once you have the ability to say "I want to do this" and to be able to do it straight away without having to learn from scratch, only then will you be truely creative.

Remember also that some people will always be better at certain things than others, but if you properly dedicate your something and have a real passion for it then you can do anything.
Just be aware that no matter how good you are there will always be someone better, so judge what you create based on your own expectations and not anyone elses.

Hate to piss on your parade bruv, but some people will always suck at making music, no matter how hard they try.

(That's not to say one shouldn't try. The problem is that it's difficult for a beginner to work out whether or not they can, until they either try hard enough (for long enough) to succeed, or keep failing for so long that they realise that they can't.)

static_cast wrote:

EDN wrote:Dedication and practice is what makes people good at anything. If you do it every day you will eventually get good at it.
Creativity comes with practice, once you have the ability to say "I want to do this" and to be able to do it straight away without having to learn from scratch, only then will you be truely creative.

Remember also that some people will always be better at certain things than others, but if you properly dedicate your something and have a real passion for it then you can do anything.
Just be aware that no matter how good you are there will always be someone better, so judge what you create based on your own expectations and not anyone elses.

Hate to piss on your parade bruv, but some people will always suck at making music, no matter how hard they try.

(That's not to say one shouldn't try. The problem is that it's difficult for a beginner to work out whether or not they can, until they either try hard enough (for long enough) to succeed, or keep failing for so long that they realise that they can't.)

I like to think that there's at least one instrument/musical talent for everyone in the world, if they want to take it.

paravrais wrote:

static_cast wrote:

EDN wrote:Dedication and practice is what makes people good at anything. If you do it every day you will eventually get good at it.
Creativity comes with practice, once you have the ability to say "I want to do this" and to be able to do it straight away without having to learn from scratch, only then will you be truely creative.

Remember also that some people will always be better at certain things than others, but if you properly dedicate your something and have a real passion for it then you can do anything.
Just be aware that no matter how good you are there will always be someone better, so judge what you create based on your own expectations and not anyone elses.

Hate to piss on your parade bruv, but some people will always suck at making music, no matter how hard they try.

(That's not to say one shouldn't try. The problem is that it's difficult for a beginner to work out whether or not they can, until they either try hard enough (for long enough) to succeed, or keep failing for so long that they realise that they can't.)

I like to think that there's at least one instrument/musical talent for everyone in the world, if they want to take it.

I'm still not convinced, but I think it's definitely true that more people can learn to perform at least one instrument to a listenable standard than can learn how to write a passable song, orchestrate it to a reasonable standard using synths and samplers, and mix it to a listenable standard using a DAW. The crucial difference is that the former requires no creative input (of course it'll make for a lacklustre performance, but that wasn't a criterion). A different skill set, true, but IMHO it's easier to learn the mechanical skills required to play a piano (and some basic sense of rhythm) than it is to learn "what sounds good and what sounds bad".

static_cast wrote:I'm still not convinced, but I think it's definitely true that more people can learn to perform at least one instrument to a listenable standard than can learn how to write a passable song, orchestrate it to a reasonable standard using synths and samplers, and mix it to a listenable standard using a DAW. The crucial difference is that the former requires no creative input (of course it'll make for a lacklustre performance, but that wasn't a criterion). A different skill set, true, but IMHO it's easier to learn the mechanical skills required to play a piano (and some basic sense of rhythm) than it is to learn "what sounds good and what sounds bad".

Aah, that may be true.

Kinda thought this thread would suck, but it's kind've awesome.

static_cast wrote:

paravrais wrote:

static_cast wrote:

EDN wrote:Dedication and practice is what makes people good at anything. If you do it every day you will eventually get good at it.
Creativity comes with practice, once you have the ability to say "I want to do this" and to be able to do it straight away without having to learn from scratch, only then will you be truely creative.

Remember also that some people will always be better at certain things than others, but if you properly dedicate your something and have a real passion for it then you can do anything.
Just be aware that no matter how good you are there will always be someone better, so judge what you create based on your own expectations and not anyone elses.

Hate to piss on your parade bruv, but some people will always suck at making music, no matter how hard they try.

(That's not to say one shouldn't try. The problem is that it's difficult for a beginner to work out whether or not they can, until they either try hard enough (for long enough) to succeed, or keep failing for so long that they realise that they can't.)

I like to think that there's at least one instrument/musical talent for everyone in the world, if they want to take it.

I'm still not convinced, but I think it's definitely true that more people can learn to perform at least one instrument to a listenable standard than can learn how to write a passable song, orchestrate it to a reasonable standard using synths and samplers, and mix it to a listenable standard using a DAW. The crucial difference is that the former requires no creative input (of course it'll make for a lacklustre performance, but that wasn't a criterion). A different skill set, true, but IMHO it's easier to learn the mechanical skills required to play a piano (and some basic sense of rhythm) than it is to learn "what sounds good and what sounds bad".

Pretty damn close to hitting the nail on the head.

3za wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

Mad EP wrote:

Sharmaji wrote: a good producer PRODUCES

it is people like them that 50-100 years from now, once the dust has settled from stupid fads and shit whose music will rise from the ether and truly stand out.

I get what you mean. But in music, when has this ever actually happened?

Mozart, and bach just to name a few. Start listening to radio 3.

In a 100 years from now, I think people will still be listening to Aphex twin, maybe Flying lotus even though I think he still real needs to prove him self. So far he has show his music could live on, but not that it will imo. Im not sure who will be remeber for dubstep, maybe loefah, or skream...

I really hope Midnight Request Line is still listened to in 100 years. Not sure about that one though. Skream'll probably come out as more of a Schubert on the fame scale (of course not for the same reasons). I don't think FlyLo will make it unless he really ups his anty. I mean I love his shit, I really do, and I think he's enormously talented, but I don't know... His songs don't come to my head if I try to think of some of the most prevalent electronic tunes I can think of. Aphex Twin'll make it definitely, atleast just because of all the hype and talk about him over the years that's ALREADY gone down. I think James Blake has a small spot in this kind of history as well. Talented ass motherfucker... Fuck... I want his talent. Please?

In my opinion a good producer is up to the listener, but I guess that's obvious. To kind've play the "game", I suppose a good producer has the same qualites a good artist of anything does. Versatality (how do you spell that?), CREATIVITY, high rate of production, good equipment and (while not technically necessary, it doe help that rate of production I mentioned) a nice backbone of theory.

Oh and as with any other artist; ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH AUDIENCE is a huge one.

Persistance. And the ability to assess your own work accurately (if you're bass is shit you should know it). As they say, you only fail if you quit.