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nitzdaking wrote:vinyl is dead

judge me

If its so dead why is it still used?

^ exactly

plus hasn't vinyl sales gone up a shitload over the past ten years?

dub:h20 wrote:just be glad you live in the digital age of dj'ing
its not as $ as it used to be, i used to buy 3x12" for one tune when i spun dnb oh so long ago

Basicly this!

I feel sorry for you Vinyl lot. Here's me complaining for having to pay £15 for an album when you lot pay that amount just for 2 songs

I'll be getting decks whenever I can afford them, so I'll feel your pain as well.

LA_Boxers wrote:

nitzdaking wrote:vinyl is dead

judge me

If its so dead why is it still used?

Exactly, a post based on very little fact me thinks

Well for all the digital heads.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=186957

16 choons, £3.99.

i have spent a reasonable amount (500 quid about) on 12" recently and my collection is still microscopic.

don't care though, love the tunes

Sheff wrote:^ exactly

plus hasn't vinyl sales gone up a shitload over the past ten years?

yes vinyl sales is getting up i readed in a belgium paper today

^^^bollocks. vinyl sales might have gone up from a little more than zero to a little bit more than zero but if 1,000 or less copies of a record is considered as standard pressing quantity for a release it should tell you the vinyl market is totally on its knees. Maybe not as much as say three to four years ago but it's become a total niche product for enthusiasts. In the US it's even worse.
I need to spend roughly 9 Euros/$12 on your average dubstep 12", vinyl is a very expensive hobby these days. Plus lately there's an alarming trend for limited releases being sold at even higher prices. digital is cheap and/or free depending on how far you're gonna take it but for people that still appreciate physical releases, music is more expensive than ever except for maybe CDs which have gone down a little or pretty much stayed in the same price range since the last 10-15 years.

Records are definitely overpriced in Britian... sometimes 100% more.

Thank goodness I work in a record store in Canada. LOL!

badger wrote:hmv online is actually still really good for bigger releases. case in point being the james blake album on vinyl which is 24 quid in chemical and only 17 in hmv (with free delivery)

Saw this for $70AUD/44 quid at my local Urban Ethics for $60AUD... Rarely do I buy vinyl from there which sucks I would definitely like to support them more but I can't argue with the prices from most online retailers even with the shipping costs

grillis wrote:

badger wrote:hmv online is actually still really good for bigger releases. case in point being the james blake album on vinyl which is 24 quid in chemical and only 17 in hmv (with free delivery)

Saw this for $70AUD/44 quid at my local Urban Ethics for $60AUD... Rarely do I buy vinyl from there which sucks I would definitely like to support them more but I can't argue with the prices from most online retailers even with the shipping costs

Yea, vinyl = online purchases.
Always cheaper than going to the local, hence why my locals closed down (which sucks, but yea whos gonna pay $70 for Return 2 Space, when you could get it on Chemical for well under half that.)

music really isn't that expensive at all

Music is expensive when done properly, of all my hobbies (about 6) only reading is less expensive. To say it isn't expensive assumes tha tyou either have a great deal of disposable income relative to most, or simply are not the one who pays for it or do so inadequately. Apparently listening to the most recent brostep anthem via a terrible 128 rip you d/l onto your ipod with skull candy headphones or a mobile phone/laptop speakers is common place, but that simply won't do for me.

I have expensive tastes, and resources are fleeting these days. But I have to agree: it has always been expensive. I've been reluctantly buying more FLAC's than vinyl these days, and I even sold some off (DJ Krush Jaku LP) to accommodate other purchases. So far this year I only bought the Lurka release in vinyl, everything else has been digital, I'm not fond of it since I have a tendency to destroy HDD's and seldom back-up on CD's. That said, vinyl (music in general) has always been an expensive hobby; a proper stylus and cartridge easily sets you back a few 100 quid, a moderate entry level tt another 100, and then you need the audio station (amp, channels, wires, pre-amp etc...) This is still WELL before you start building your own personal library, by which you're already in pretty deep and doesn't include the costs if you decide to dj/mix/produce. It doesn't end there either, since this particular music is made to be played out on proper rigs you'll want to be out at nights more than you initially thought you would after you built your system. Luckily I built a decent system early in life with a properish' system (19) and now I only really just add to my set-up rather than anything else, there are things I'd like to change but that is more just caprice then necessity. Is at expensive as it was in the 80-90's, no clue, I wasn't born or was still a kid with little to no interest in hi-fi audio, I built my first system in 2000 when i was still in grade school, and that took me a while to save up for whihc included some decent channels (whihc being a kid I eventually blew) and second-hand things I found along the way that weren't worth keeping as I grew older. As a result CD's were always borrowed and then copied from friends, I didn't actually purchase music until quite late in life when my tastes began to be refined and moved away from more than just mainstream garbage on the radio.

I spent most of my teens and early 20's immersed in a hobby where you really need 1000, at the bare minimum, before even contemplating doing anything. A 3 day weekend could easily set you back 3000 with little luxuries in between (sleeping in your car outside a venue, eating meals/drinks you brought from home etc...) assuming nothing unexpected broke or went wrong, the phrase 'that sounds expensive' was all too familiar growing up, so I know what its like to be broke all the time as result of a hobby; while I don't do that with music as much these days, 2009 was kind like that because I went head-long into vinyl. I just don't see myself doing that much these days, which makes me feel old.

I know I won't ever be making my purchases off the latest and greatest list off Stereophile, so to me its just more about enjoying sensible and moderate costs more than dying to have bragging rights and showoff: I just turned down a SL-1200 MKIII that needed a bit of work, but worked and functioned like normal with no cart/stylus for a couple 100. I didn't have it so I just turned it down and moved on knowing that my basic Technics at home works for what I need it to. I saw One of US LP appear on Discogs for like a day with a stupid price tag on it and did the same. I'd say its only not expensive if you aren't new to Hi-Fi and aren't impulsive as most of us are in our youth.

Nevalo wrote:

grillis wrote:

badger wrote:hmv online is actually still really good for bigger releases. case in point being the james blake album on vinyl which is 24 quid in chemical and only 17 in hmv (with free delivery)

Saw this for $70AUD/44 quid at my local Urban Ethics for $60AUD... Rarely do I buy vinyl from there which sucks I would definitely like to support them more but I can't argue with the prices from most online retailers even with the shipping costs

Yea, vinyl = online purchases.
Always cheaper than going to the local, hence why my locals closed down (which sucks, but yea whos gonna pay $70 for Return 2 Space, when you could get it on Chemical for well under half that.)

My local's good though

redeye always has the best prices i can find anywhere...

What I dont get is how some 12s are more than others... new Non Plus (012) is £7.44! For two tracks that is a piss take tbh... unless it comes with a CD single or some additional material then how can it be justified as so much?! Joy Orb's A Shrew Could have Cushioned the Blow was over £8 which I never understood. These sort of prices are what drive people onto digital and will end up killing vinyl sales; after the postage costs its almost as much as a full CD album for two tracks... unessessary really.

What are the reasons for the arbitrary costings? Maybe some explanation might defend it...

ashley wrote:Music in general is expensive.

But if you go on iTunes you can get the 'This Is Dubstep' albums for around £4-£6 each (full tracks too)

This Is Dubstep Vol 3 (£5.99):
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/this-i ... d389378468

This Is Dubstep Vol 2 (£4.49):
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/getdar ... d363562644

This Is Dubstep (Vol 1) (£4.49):
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/getdar ... d378315244

All unmixed in iTunes

Good idea gonna pick up some physical copies

dirt wrote:What I dont get is how some 12s are more than others... new Non Plus (012) is £7.44! For two tracks that is a piss take tbh... unless it comes with a CD single or some additional material then how can it be justified as so much?! Joy Orb's A Shrew Could have Cushioned the Blow was over £8 which I never understood. These sort of prices are what drive people onto digital and will end up killing vinyl sales; after the postage costs its almost as much as a full CD album for two tracks... unessessary really.

What are the reasons for the arbitrary costings? Maybe some explanation might defend it...

Vinyl:

£2.20 per vinyl manufacturing costs
£2.50 to the distributor/shops (sometimes more if you deal direct)
£2.00 labels own profit on top = then divide this by royalties and covering expenses such as artwork and advances

Boom theres your figure before postage is even considered.


Digital:

£0.50 costs from iTunes etc and distribution
£0.50 profit = divide this by royalties and other expenses such as artwork and advances



Remember, digital isn't a tangible medium therefore no production costs.