When a police man asks "Do you understand" did you know ...?

[GV1]

the whole hugging the police thing these guys do is so childish and pathetic.

"Lawful Rebelion". What should they do? Pull out their gun fingers and go *pap, pap, pap*?

[Badman Juice]

why do they need to do anything? if some random unwashed commie tried to hug me I wouldn't be happy.

in that video where they're arresting the judge it amused me when the fat bloke was trying to get everyone to be quiet, he doesn't have a problem with authority, he just has a problem with him not having any.

[Badman Juice]

what they do is good they just go about it in a really patronising way.

[noam]

the whole hugging the police thing these guys do is so childish and pathetic.

i think its great!

always found the best method of dealing with police has been to be absurdly nice and polite

if you cant do that to a police officer when you're in a bit of trouble you have serious issues

its about selling an image to them so they deal with you favourably, if you go into a situation with the police with a chip on your shoulder and an attitude they will take the piss.

worked for me last two times anyway! private security can get to fuck though

[wolf89]

Ok .... here is how people well clued up go about their business to avoid stupid fines.

the "everything is ok" videos are old topics on SNH, a lot of the time they're massive knobs and need a bit of police brutality to set them straight

So you're saying these people need to a victim of police brutality because they know the law and now how to respond to police questions to avoid being robbed by the system to fund the government?

No but the things in the everything is ok videos are just pointless Bollocks made by idiots thinking they know more than everyone.

[Badman Juice]

the whole hugging the police thing these guys do is so childish and pathetic.

i think its great!

always found the best method of dealing with police has been to be absurdly nice and polite

if you cant do that to a police officer when you're in a bit of trouble you have serious issues

its about selling an image to them so they deal with you favourably, if you go into a situation with the police with a chip on your shoulder and an attitude they will take the piss.

worked for me last two times anyway! private security can get to fuck though

surely by submitting to them so that they don't punish you you're acknowledging the total power they have over you?

[noam]

recognising that you've committed a crime and you're going to be punished for it and trying and succeeding to get out of the trouble....

i couldn't give a shit if im submitting or not, if i get away with doing whatever i was doing then i win.

thats how i see it anyway

i just think the hug thing is funny!

[stappard]

Ok .... here is how people well clued up go about their business to avoid stupid fines.

the "everything is ok" videos are old topics on SNH, a lot of the time they're massive knobs and need a bit of police brutality to set them straight

So you're saying these people need to a victim of police brutality because they know the law and now how to respond to police questions to avoid being robbed by the system to fund the government?

obviously i was being facetious. there's nothing wrong with knowing the law but as i say, the "everything is ok" bunch pointlessly take it too far to serve their own superiority complex and make things awkward for police who might be trying to just do their jobs

basically:

No but the things in the everything is ok videos are just pointless Bollocks made by idiots thinking they know more than everyone.

the whole hugging the police thing these guys do is so childish and pathetic.

[noam]

^^^

i disagree

someone asking a police officer for a description fo the law they're trying to enforce isn't 'self-serving' or 'pointless'

its asking someone what the details of their job are, if they cant even answer why they're trying to arrest you they dont have any power over you

if a mechanic cant tell you whats wrong with your car then you dont pay them to fix it do you...

[Badman Juice]

recognising that you've committed a crime and you're going to be punished for it and trying and succeeding to get out of the trouble....

i couldn't give a shit if im submitting or not, if i get away with doing whatever i was doing then i win.

thats how i see it anyway

i just think the hug thing is funny!

yh I can see it's a good way to avoid getting done but it's not exactly demonstrating that we have more power than the police. it's like a political dissident thinking they've made their point by toning down what they say to avoid arrest.

I know you're not trying to make a political point though, don't mean you in particular.

on the subject of political dissidence I'd rather these people went and helped the burmese or something than show middle england how to avoid a fine.

[noam]

yeh im with you on that, i do think there are a lot of better ways they could be spending their time on doing

i also think that for a fair amount of them they're probably very politically active anyway, its a bit of a assumption to make that all they do is protest police but i know a few people who are trying to do this 'free man' thing and have decided against paying council tax... which is just dumb because the last thing we need is LESS money going towards our councils with a government that are slashing public spending (specially in manchester- 25%!!)

either way, i think this is probably a much better way fo protesting than mass marching - if anything it makes the police look dumb and weak compared to the protests which make police look strong and authoritarian

[capo ultra]

Ok .... here is how people well clued up go about their business to avoid stupid fines.

the "everything is ok" videos are old topics on SNH, a lot of the time they're massive knobs and need a bit of police brutality to set them straight

So you're saying these people need to a victim of police brutality because they know the law and now how to respond to police questions to avoid being robbed by the system to fund the government?

they need a good kicking because they are massive pricks (not particularly in this video, but in the others, particularly the one where the guy is sauntering around an educational campus without a pass, I just wish for a copper with a fuck off truncheon to come flying in and knock some sense into the twat, such a smug bastard)

[firky]

I know my rights when it comes to photography, below I give the proverbial two fingered salute to the pricks

[symmetricalsounds]

but i know a few people who are trying to do this 'free man' thing and have decided against paying council tax... which is just dumb because the last thing we need is LESS money going towards our councils with a government that are slashing public spending (specially in manchester- 25%!!)

one of the main reasons i'm not down with the whole thing, how would you ever have made an NHS if everyone did this free man thing. although seeing as the NHS and other public services are being dismantled before our eyes, this could be a good way to counter that.

[Capture pt]

To be fair, if that cyclist went through a light hes a fucking prick in the first place.


Ignoring red lights is NOT a smart thing to do.


This is coming from a cyclist whos seen other friends of mine (who are cyclists) sent flying through the air when they ignored a red light.


Anyway, if hes so smart, why did he run away haha.

[firky]

but i know a few people who are trying to do this 'free man' thing and have decided against paying council tax... which is just dumb because the last thing we need is LESS money going towards our councils with a government that are slashing public spending (specially in manchester- 25%!!)

one of the main reasons i'm not down with the whole thing, how would you ever have made an NHS if everyone did this free man thing.

although seeing as the NHS and other public services are being dismantled before our eyes, this could be a good way to counter that.

The NHS isn't funded through council tax.

[symmetricalsounds]

no but people doing the free man thing often don't pay other taxes too.

[firky]

Not so, it's very difficult to get away without paying national insurance - unless you're paid cash in hand of course. Most people are on PAYE in this country.

There's quite a bit of history why lefties object to paying council tax.



The Irish don't have to pay council tax, tv licence and if you're a pensioner you get your amenities for free too. If other bureaucratic organisations within central and local government were better managed / stream lined or just axed entirely we wouldn't need council tax. Seems we're more content to launch an illegal decade long war against a third world country - that cost us trillions.

[GV1]

no but people doing the free man thing often don't pay other taxes too.

No a free man does not pay tax. He is basically removed from the system and there is no details of him/her on any government database. But, if the government were transparent about the way they run the country people wouldn't need to resort to it.

You have to remember people don't do this as a rebelious action to stick their fingers up to the law and the government because they feel like joining a movement. People feel as if this country is going to turn into China. We are a long way off that, but we're already submitting freedoms and are controlled by the system. John Harris points out a lot of this, all of which is fact.

The Census for example. Look at it this way. The United Kingdom is a corporation, it's a business. So is Tesco. But do Tesco make it a law for you to fill in their questionnaires so they can offer you better products and better services? Nope. So why as the United Kingdom, as a company, made it a MUST. What if I don't want to submit my details for statistical and marketing purposes? If the United Kingdom is going to profit from my data, then I want paying for it because its us as a whole that will contribute to their profits which they will spend on shite ... like paying Lockheed Martin some crazy cash to handle the UK's data. Or as the poster above said, spending trillions on fighting a war in a 3rd world country because America told us to, because our government lick their arse cracks.

I would consider it. I mean I don't pay taxes anyway because you're having a laugh if I am going to submit 45% of my income to the government just because my online business is successful. Not a chance! I pay tax on international wire transfers, shopping, gas, electric, and everything else and the cheeky bastards want 45% of my income aswell.

Having the option to be removed totally from the system without persecution would be nice. If any of us was to go through the hoops to become a free man we'd lost a lot of privileges anyway because to the government or their data networks (police, hospitals, NI etc) we don't exist. We don't pay taxes, so we don't enjoy benefits such as the NHS.

Not having the option though, and masking how our country is ran is sneaky. Controlling the population and profiting from us by adding bullshit to their own laws is taking the piss.

[firky]

You read anything by Heather Brooke, GVI?