Discussion about illegal music downloads

[deadly_habit]

the key is not discussing it it always goes on, you latest gen just make it too damn public you fucking attention whores
ffs ed ruish and op did h20 etching on thge low you kids now scream from the highest mountain ehy piracy gets legal ramifications you fucking morons

I do see where you're coming from habit. I apologize if talk like this is can cause harm to this forum, i mean this with all honesty.

I can see what your saying with how us new generation is open about this subject, I've always been extremely open about this file sharing shiz.

But attention whores, thats not fucking necessary. Fucking morrons? Why you actin so heated towards all these people youv'e never even met. Do you know any big time producers who have lost fortunes off their tracks being illegaly downloaded? I'm going to go out on a limb and say, no. And you know what if artists had an issue with this kind of shit why don't they do something? It's not like it would be hard to find it, they know its there. It's stealing, which is illegal. Legal actions can be taken. I don't hear too much about that stuff though, do you?

I tend to keep my cool when i see shit i don't like/dont agree with. I didn't fucking like this.

Welcome the new generation, were not so bad. Really.
not trying to start shit here.

if you're pirating something that has say a 500 pressing in the first place it affects the producers a lot more than say the new lady gaga
being an edm producer has lil to no money in it in the first place so those couple bucks do definitely hit the producer/labels wallet

[Redderious]

good point, it sounds like it can be more hurtful then i thought. Im sure its not wrecking the producer though. Like i said in my original post, it has its pros AND cons. It's not completely harmful, i guess you could think the cut off those checks are just something like advertising costs .

You wouldn't happen to know how much most average producers lose from illegal downloads would you?
That would be a number id be interested to know.

[Shum]

When you find your music thats supposed to be selling floating around on filesharing sites and see how limited you are in your ability to stop it, then you'll know why piracy is so shit. I was in Malaysia last year and saw large numbers of illegal copies of a CD I had produced some tracks for in a market, spoke to legal at the label back in Korea, however (for various legal and monetary reasons) no legal action is forthcoming. It sucks. That is all.

[Redderious]

When you find your music thats supposed to be selling floating around on filesharing sites and see how limited you are in your ability to stop it, then you'll know why piracy is so shit. I was in Malaysia last year and saw large numbers of illegal copies of a CD I had produced some tracks for in a market, spoke to legal at the label back in Korea, however (for various legal and monetary reasons) no legal action is forthcoming. It sucks. That is all.

thats one country, its not that bad. but in all seriousness, if your stuff is sold worldwide, money shouldn't be too much of a problem. But really is there no satisfaction a producer can get from the sheer fact that somewhere, someone is enjoying his tunes?

[Redderious]

heres a cool helpful story about why torrents aren't the worst things in the world:

About 2-3 weeks ago i purchased Circus One, that new release from UKF, off of itunes. And just because my day was going so bad already, there was an authorization problem with the player and i couldn't listen to 3 of the songs off the album. So i tried calling apple support, 30 DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING PHONE CALL BECAUSE THERE SHIT WAS FUCKING UP AND I WANTED TO LISTEN TO WHAT I BOUGHT. Fuck that. So i shot them an email, and had to wait 24 fucking hours to get an answer(im not totally impatient but still...i get my music, and i don't fuck around...). Once i did i got my money back but they could do nothing to fix the authorization problem. Soooooooo, i think you know what the solution i used to solve this.

True story, not thrashing itunes on purpose they've never fucked up like this before. I'd much rather buy from beatport though

[leebass]

When you find your music thats supposed to be selling floating around on filesharing sites and see how limited you are in your ability to stop it, then you'll know why piracy is so shit. I was in Malaysia last year and saw large numbers of illegal copies of a CD I had produced some tracks for in a market, spoke to legal at the label back in Korea, however (for various legal and monetary reasons) no legal action is forthcoming. It sucks. That is all.

thats one country, its not that bad. but in all seriousness, if your stuff is sold worldwide, money shouldn't be too much of a problem. But really is there no satisfaction a producer can get from the sheer fact that somewhere, someone is enjoying his tunes?

How can you say that, Redderious, when you have no experience of it? Come back when you have had all your music pirated, and then tell us if you still don't care.

You're argument just seems to be: 'but it's not that bad, right?' Try and empathise.

[Redderious]

heres a cool helpful story about why torrents aren't the worst things in the world:

About 2-3 weeks ago i purchased Circus One, that new release from UKF, off of itunes. And just because my day was going so bad already, there was an authorization problem with the player and i couldn't listen to 3 of the songs off the album. So i tried calling apple support, 30 DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING PHONE CALL BECAUSE THERE SHIT WAS FUCKING UP AND I WANTED TO LISTEN TO WHAT I BOUGHT. Fuck that. So i shot them an email, and had to wait 24 fucking hours to get an answer(im not totally impatient but still...i get my music, and i don't fuck around...). Once i did i got my money back but they could do nothing to fix the authorization problem. Soooooooo, i think you know what the solution i used to solve this.

True story, not thrashing itunes on purpose they've never fucked up like this before. I'd much rather buy from beatport though

really?

[Redderious]

When you find your music thats supposed to be selling floating around on filesharing sites and see how limited you are in your ability to stop it, then you'll know why piracy is so shit. I was in Malaysia last year and saw large numbers of illegal copies of a CD I had produced some tracks for in a market, spoke to legal at the label back in Korea, however (for various legal and monetary reasons) no legal action is forthcoming. It sucks. That is all.

thats one country, its not that bad. but in all seriousness, if your stuff is sold worldwide, money shouldn't be too much of a problem. But really is there no satisfaction a producer can get from the sheer fact that somewhere, someone is enjoying his tunes?

How can you say that, Redderious, when you have no experience of it? Come back when you have had all your music pirated, and then tell us if you still don't care.

You're argument just seems to be: 'but it's not that bad, right?' Try and empathise.

Im sorry if these are things that you are experiencing if they are hurting you. Im hoping they are and your not just saying that.
I am trying to see your point, but could some one care to explain to me on why this is a harmful thing instead of repeating that "its bad, its bad, its bad". I don't have any experience of it, correct. All my music is just free dls on soundcloud. Producing is just a hobby for me.

Have you heard of Pretty Lights my friend? If you do you should be aware that all his tunes are free dls on his website.

[clifford_-]

deadlys already explained to you why its bad.
and as hes a producer who has had releases, so you should probably listen to him.

[apmje]

the key is not discussing it it always goes on, you latest gen just make it too damn public you fucking attention whores
ffs ed ruish and op did h20 etching on thge low you kids now scream from the highest mountain ehy piracy gets legal ramifications you fucking morons

I do see where you're coming from habit. I apologize if talk like this is can cause harm to this forum, i mean this with all honesty.

I can see what your saying with how us new generation is open about this subject, I've always been extremely open about this file sharing shiz.

But attention whores, thats not fucking necessary. Fucking morrons? Why you actin so heated towards all these people youv'e never even met. Do you know any big time producers who have lost fortunes off their tracks being illegaly downloaded? I'm going to go out on a limb and say, no. And you know what if artists had an issue with this kind of shit why don't they do something? It's not like it would be hard to find it, they know its there. It's stealing, which is illegal. Legal actions can be taken. I don't hear too much about that stuff though, do you?

I tend to keep my cool when i see shit i don't like/dont agree with. I didn't fucking like this.

Welcome the new generation, were not so bad. Really.
not trying to start shit here.

if you're pirating something that has say a 500 pressing in the first place it affects the producers a lot more than say the new lady gaga
being an edm producer has lil to no money in it in the first place so those couple bucks do definitely hit the producer/labels wallet

Without pirating, I would never have found that 'underground, hip and cool EDM producer' in the first place. Now that I have found it and I like it, I buy it.

If I downloaded it and didn't like what I heard, I wouldn't buy it.

[grillis]

if you're pirating something that has say a 500 pressing in the first place it affects the producers a lot more than say the new lady gaga

If they all sell out, then how does it affect the artist?

If a label releases music on limited vinyl only.. and all those vinyls sell out, haven't they effectively fulfilled their sales quota? Downloads can't really hurt the artist (financially) beyond then can it? Not advocating illegal downloads at all, it's just a thought I had after reading some of the discussion in the Swamp81 thread in general.

Playing out pirated music as a 'dj' and collecting a paycheck at the end, or including pirated music in a mix you've compiled for your own promotion is the biggest no no to me.

[Redderious]

deadlys already explained to you why its bad.
and as hes a producer who has had releases, so you should probably listen to him.

this is what i like to call.......debating. Im free to express my opinion on the matter.
I definitly feel that it has its pros.

Everything isn't just black and white.

[Redderious]

Music is a passion to me. I literally don't enjoy talking about any subject, besides music. (maybe not literallyyyyy) Producing is a hobby. Sure i would love to live off my work in that category, but how i see it no matter what im getting paid its just extra money thats awesome to have. I don't produce for other people, just for myself. And this is why my view is different than all of yours?

I know everyone here enjoys actually making the tunes, maybe not all aspects but a majority. Or else they wouldn't be doing it. Idk what you think but producing has alot of tasks which are more time consuming and boring than others. If i didn't absolutely love this, taking the time to process drum racks would'nt be something i would do anymore.

[Pada]

I think the lack of respect for music that this culture has created is just as bad as the financial losses.

Kids these days don't seem to value apiece of music at all, they just want everything instantly.


Shit how did I get this bitter by 18 hahaha

[laurent__duval]

i think i have a nice balance between paying for new music from online sources and downloading old, out of print, unavailable for purchase garage/jungle/etc from mediafire or something like that.
badly o
i feel a bit bad about downloading all my hip hop illegally when most of it is available from itunes but not that badly that i'd go and buy it and delete the illegal download.

still i spend a faair whack on tunes that are just coming out so my conscience is clear... sort of...

[AllNightDayDream]

When you find your music thats supposed to be selling floating around on filesharing sites and see how limited you are in your ability to stop it, then you'll know why piracy is so shit. I was in Malaysia last year and saw large numbers of illegal copies of a CD I had produced some tracks for in a market, spoke to legal at the label back in Korea, however (for various legal and monetary reasons) no legal action is forthcoming. It sucks. That is all.

thats one country, its not that bad. but in all seriousness, if your stuff is sold worldwide, money shouldn't be too much of a problem. But really is there no satisfaction a producer can get from the sheer fact that somewhere, someone is enjoying his tunes?

Oh don't worry there are plenty real artists out there

http://pirateverbatim.com/

[AllNightDayDream]

I think the lack of respect for music that this culture has created is just as bad as the financial losses.

Kids these days don't seem to value apiece of music at all, they just want everything instantly.


Shit how did I get this bitter by 18 hahaha

I respect music and value it deeply, but real value to me doesn't include $$$

[deadly_habit]

http://www.filestube.com/search.html?q= ... select=All

this is a release on my own label up all over for file sharing, know how much i've seen of digital sales? well 0$ because it hasn't hit minimum quotas in the shops it's up in (digital tunes, juno)

see how that hits the bottom line?

now in order to stick with quality control things like mastering should be being done for releases and those services cost money, so what incentive do i have to put out releases and invest cash from my pocket if i see no return on the investment. yea i make music because i'm passionate about it, but why bother making it public and release a sub standard product if i'm constantly losing money on it?

[AllNightDayDream]

Sorry in advance, but you're assuming you aren't making money because people are dling instead of buying it, not taking into account that maybe people just don't wanna buy your tunes. No offense, but someone who would come across small artists like yourself would almost definitely be willing to purchase good music (i'm one of them and I actually bought your synesthaesia release).

Plus, all this is anecdotal evidence. Here's one of many proofs otherwise...

Further inspection, however, reveals that it is unrealistic to believe that the effects of
file sharing are constant across all artists as the costs and benefits of file sharing differ with
the ex ante popularity of the artist. This suggest that ex ante unknown artists are likely to
see more positive overall effects of file sharing than ex ante popular artists are. By adopting
an estimation procedure which allows for the effect to vary according to measures of artist
popularity, I find that file sharing has had strong effects on the sales of music. In particular,
new artists and ex ante relatively unknown artists are seen to benefit from the existence of
their songs on file sharing networks, while ex ante popular artists suffer for it.

...

Furthermore, the differential effect of file sharing on the sales of artists of different
levels of ex ante popularity has led to a dramatic shift in the distribution of sales among
artists, as new and less popular artists are now selling more records while star artists have
seen their sales shrink, compacting the distribution of outcomes. It remains an open ques-
tion, left for future work, what effect this distributional change has had or will have on the
investment in new talent and the distribution of returns to that talent in the recorded music
industry.

Torrenting music is just a part of something much greater and profound.

[say_whut]

Honestly, don't illegally download music. You'll enjoy it more if you buy it. And until you do, you'll enjoy mixes more. I downloaded like 30 gigs of music, and I listened to a few artists max. When I went to clean out my hard drive to make space on my old computer with all the music on it, I deleted all of it, and listen to what little music I've legally obtained. I enjoy listening to them so much more. Though, Trent Reznor supports illegal downloading of his music apparently according to a friend who happens to be a die hard NIN fan

Totally agree, not handing over money does make the music, effectively, worthless and you don't treasure it as much as something you have paid for.

Simply put, I feel good buying it as opposed to waiting for a download bar to fill and drag files into my iTunes.