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twothirdsmajority wrote: I know many Americans who associate Dubstep with southern Hip-Hop than Grime or UK Garage. And i think that's pretty sad.

probably because of screw which has a lot of the same draw to it as dubstep, just happened a decade plus before dubstep so americans compare it to the event which happened here first. I'm sure the handfull of UK fans familiar with screw music would have made a similar comparison to the, slowed down, drawn out, high reverb nature of screw music.

regardless you're talking in circles because grime and uk garage ultimately is spawned from New York Garage / Garage House and a blend of US Hip Hop/R&B/Soul

I find a lot of brits don't realize that Garage, like everything else breakbeat and house related, came from the US.

Not saying to bow down to the US for their influence, just don't shit on them when their influence was just as fundamental to the sound.

twothirdsmajority wrote:

Phigure wrote:

twothirdsmajority wrote:And he comes from a J.Dilla-inspired background, to me that's a cool thing.

J Dilla is rolling over in his grave


typography was piss poor, bassnectar was pretty inaccurate most of the time, pulling nonsense out of his ass. "dubstep is an ultra slow spawn of hip hop"

Well, he's basing Dubstep on that because his influence of Dubstep came primarily from the 70BPM Southern Hip Hop music which is influential to many Dubstep producers in America and Canada.

I know many Americans who associate Dubstep with southern Hip-Hop than Grime or UK Garage. And i think that's pretty sad.

I mean, yeah, Dubstep def didn't come from Hip-Hop. However, I think the argument can be made that Dilla had at least a passing influence on Dubstep. Here's a basic argument:

Mala made the track "In Luv" which is basically a remix of "In Love With You", a B-side from Erykah Badu's album Mama's Gun. Mama's Gun features heavy production from Dilla, and the album's overall production is informed by Dilla, so there's definitely a connection there, i.e. you only remix a song if you're digging the source.

pkay wrote:

twothirdsmajority wrote: I know many Americans who associate Dubstep with southern Hip-Hop than Grime or UK Garage. And i think that's pretty sad.

probably because of screw which has a lot of the same draw to it as dubstep, just happened a decade plus before dubstep so americans compare it to the event which happened here first. I'm sure the handfull of UK fans familiar with screw music would have made a similar comparison to the, slowed down, drawn out, high reverb nature of screw music.

regardless you're talking in circles because grime and uk garage ultimately is spawned from New York Garage / Garage House and a blend of US Hip Hop/R&B/Soul

I find a lot of brits don't realize that Garage, like everything else breakbeat and house related, came from the US.

Not saying to bow down to the US for their influence, just don't shit on them when their influence was just as fundamental to the sound.

You heard it here first folks. Dilla invented dubstep. Blam. on the realy though, would've loved to hear a dilla/ flying lotus collab. RIP Jay Yancey.

that would fall under the just as fundamental statement

While king tubby may be a fundamental ingredient for Dubstep, I'd argue NY Garage, House, and hip hop were far more fundamental to the other ingredients involved in birthing dubstep (UK Garage, 2 step, speed garage, breakbeat).

It's like UK Garage has an american parent and british parent... the american parent hit it and quit it and the british parent was left to raise UK garage alone... they raised UK Garage in to a fine young adult and ended up fucking a half british half jamaican guy. Their child lost a leg at birth and can't move as fast, but has a deeper voice for some reason

pkay wrote:that would fall under the just as fundamental statement

While king tubby may be a fundamental ingredient for Dubstep, I'd argue NY Garage, House, and hip hop were far more fundamental to the other ingredients involved in birthing dubstep (UK Garage, 2 step, speed garage, breakbeat).

It's like UK Garage has an american parent and british parent... the american parent hit it and quit it and the british parent was left to raise UK garage alone... they raised UK Garage in to a fine young adult and ended up fucking a half british half jamaican guy. Their child lost a leg at birth and can't move as fast, but has a deeper voice for some reason

New siggy

in 2008 he's slating the whole sound, but in 2011 he's a genre historian all of a sudden?

some of these PR driven bass artists, think that everyone's just going to forget things said back in the day. understand the evolution of this, and remember the history, and remember that PR agencies, to justify their commissions, re-arrange musical history when its convenient.

from his own myspace back in 2008. i've archived this page, just incase, some PR person decides that it must be deleted, now that dubstep summer tours are being planned for 2012.
http://www.myspace.com/bassnectar/blog/413267182

Maybe I am getting it all wrong but it seemed it he was being quite positive about dubstep?

Soiree wrote:

Phigure wrote:

twothirdsmajority wrote:And he comes from a J.Dilla-inspired background, to me that's a cool thing.

J Dilla is rolling over in his grave


typography was piss poor, bassnectar was pretty inaccurate most of the time, pulling nonsense out of his ass. "dubstep is an ultra slow spawn of hip hop"

I prefer the roots of dubstep map myself



although the new version includes "Noisy Boring SHITE!", for the BROS

whys it so small downloded it and tried o zoom in but its really pixelated

anyone that can somehow,
in one little tish tish boom riff
express a whole style of music
has my admiration
(even if they're wrong)

He's in Sydney in a few weeks,
might go along to see if what he says about the danceability of his sets is true or he's just another ego-tripping blowhard.
On the other hand, I might better spend my dosh patronizing locals who know their dubstep/bass.

Honestly, does anyone give a flying fuck about what a former psy producer has to say about dubstep?

I can't say that I've ever really liked his music. He's clearly talented, but he should defenitly stay away from drum and bass, cuz he no good at it.

wtf is this dude talking about

soulkids wrote:wtf is this dude talking about

Me?

sd5 wrote: He's in Sydney in a few weeks,
might go along to see if what he says about the danceability of his sets is true or he's just another ego-tripping blowhard.
On the other hand, I might better spend my dosh patronizing locals who know their dubstep/bass.

Definitely go check him out.

I really don't see why you all have this big issue with what he said in that video. I'd imagine if I had to guess he's speaking to an American audience here and America is lacking cultural elements that are present in the UK. People naturally try to understand things within their cultural framework. Most people in the U.S. if you tried to reference UK Garage or something like El-B to explain what you're talking about they would have no idea what you're talking about. I think saying whatever he said, I don't remember the exact quote but the bit about dubstep being like slow heavy hip hop puts it in a cultural framework Americans can understand. He didn't say it IS slow hip hop or whatever, he just likened it to something a casual american listener will understand.

There's no real escaping that cultural reference point stuff though. It's kinda the same reason I think these came from the UK:


And these came from the United States:

pkay wrote:that would fall under the just as fundamental statement

While king tubby may be a fundamental ingredient for Dubstep, I'd argue NY Garage, House, and hip hop were far more fundamental to the other ingredients involved in birthing dubstep (UK Garage, 2 step, speed garage, breakbeat).

It's like UK Garage has an american parent and british parent... the american parent hit it and quit it and the british parent was left to raise UK garage alone... they raised UK Garage in to a fine young adult and ended up fucking a half british half jamaican guy. Their child lost a leg at birth and can't move as fast, but has a deeper voice for some reason

lest we forget that all those 2step/garage records from around 2000 sounded like American slowjam r&b-- which was HUUUUUUUUGE then-- sped up 2x. much like how jump-up d&b of 5 years earlier felt not unlike american hiphop at twice the speed.

and when you got to the goldie/KRS collabos and nuff Aprhodite tunes... that's pretty much exactly what it was.

Biscuit wrote:

pkay wrote:that would fall under the just as fundamental statement

While king tubby may be a fundamental ingredient for Dubstep, I'd argue NY Garage, House, and hip hop were far more fundamental to the other ingredients involved in birthing dubstep (UK Garage, 2 step, speed garage, breakbeat).

It's like UK Garage has an american parent and british parent... the american parent hit it and quit it and the british parent was left to raise UK garage alone... they raised UK Garage in to a fine young adult and ended up fucking a half british half jamaican guy. Their child lost a leg at birth and can't move as fast, but has a deeper voice for some reason

New siggy

Fuck no! I was gonna use that as my signature...



Meh, you got there first

biscuit gets it.
but now i feel like i dont' know what i'm talking about cuz honestly i was only into hip hop, any form of rock and ROLL!!!!, then dub and reggae one-drop riddims til 3 years ago when i was recommended to check out dubstep in the form of bassnectar. i'm all off on the timeline and what i said earlier seems pretty out of line now that i read it again. happens to me a lot. my b. I'm American, and to me, biscuit's argument is spot on.

but my enthusiasm for bassnectar stands strong and i don't give a piss about what you music history buffs think of me. especially that dude who says "get off bassnectars nuts." your probably someone that thinks the more and more you listen to dubstep, the world might finally accept you for it. get off dsf for a second and focus your energy on meeting chicks or things of that nature (strip clubs don't count). thats generalizing the dsf but i feel like 80% of the shit i read on this forum nowadays is some kid, like less than 2 years old, trying to learn how to use fruity loops to sound like skrillex or trolling. which isn't too terrible since it brings more attention to dubstep (to me thats great, but i guess its still cool to be the first one to like something, and then hate it when you're buddies start liking it) from all over the world to one place where we can converse. but it kills the fun for the dudes that have been here for years and gotta filter through that shit to spark conversation on their own interests. those are the fellas that i respect. and i respect bassnectar...and biscuit. peace