USA guy on pcp shot 10x attempting to assault a officer

[noam]

but there has been 333 deaths in 11 years in police custody(uk) so there is a problem

you're confusing issues here

the overwhelming majority of deaths were from drugs/alcohol which raises other issues to do with how the police handle these people

some were directly related to detainment i.e. asphyxiation

but the problem lies with the training given to police to resuscitate and in their arresting and detention of violent/drunk/intoxicated people

its not the same as police here seeing a drunk on the street and beating the fuck out of him with batons till he's dead...

there's a case for your point, but its nothing to do with the issue we're dealing with here

[hayze99]

Excessive use of force... why not just use beanbag rounds? Or just shoot him in the foot?

That guy does not look like he's had enough pcp to justify him being out of his mind...

though what would the UK police do? I'm trying to imagine (they wouldn't shoot him, or taser him either)

Out number him. Beat him with a baton. Detain him.

I think the part about the giant weapon in his hand complicated things a bit.

I do think it was excessive force, but I also think there's a misconception that all police officers in the States are brutes. For all we know, this officer is a regular guy, has never even unsheathed his weapon before and freaked the fuck out when he saw a man pull electric spikes out of his own face, and then realised that he just shot a guy.

[noam]

Excessive use of force... why not just use beanbag rounds? Or just shoot him in the foot?

That guy does not look like he's had enough pcp to justify him being out of his mind...

though what would the UK police do? I'm trying to imagine (they wouldn't shoot him, or taser him either)

Out number him. Beat him with a baton. Detain him.

I think the part about the giant weapon in his hand complicated things a bit.

I do think it was excessive force, but I also think there's a misconception that all police officers in the States are brutes. For all we know, this officer is a regular guy, has never even unsheathed his weapon before and freaked the fuck out when he saw a man pull electric spikes out of his own face, and then realised that he just shot a guy.

if you dont know or haven't been trained how to deal with situations properly then you aren't doing your job properly

the issue here is that what happened is demonstrative of the training... shoot first etc.

[NiGHTS_24]

has there been any more news on this yet ?

[scspkr99]

its not the same as police here seeing a drunk on the street and beating the fuck out of him with batons till he's dead...

there's a case for your point, but its nothing to do with the issue we're dealing with here

If the police did see a drunk on the street and beat him to death it still wouldn't be anything like the issue under discussion

[Today]

remember Sean Bell.
I mean I couldn't judge this incident, there's not enough footage and who knows what it was really like up close and in person
but things have been grim here with police shooting folks who don't have guns like 50 times until their bodies look like swiss cheese
why don't we see one shot to the thigh/knee/lower half of the body before dude gets his chest blown the fuck out

[noam]

its not the same as police here seeing a drunk on the street and beating the fuck out of him with batons till he's dead...

there's a case for your point, but its nothing to do with the issue we're dealing with here

If the police did see a drunk on the street and beat him to death it still wouldn't be anything like the issue under discussion

which reinforces my point even more surely...?

[scspkr99]

yep

I've now seen the video and I'm not sure, I am sure there will be a public inquiry especially given that there's footage in the public domain. I'm undecided on the actual use of deadly force in this instance and while I think the call to disarm someone often lacks credibility given he had a sledgehammer not a gun I'm not sure.

[dsprainman]

Excessive force? Maybe you shouldn't be swinging a war-hammer on an armed law official at a fast food restaurant?

[ketamine]

you shouldn't be swinging a war-hammer on an armed law official at a fast food restaurant?

[hayze99]

Excessive use of force... why not just use beanbag rounds? Or just shoot him in the foot?

That guy does not look like he's had enough pcp to justify him being out of his mind...

though what would the UK police do? I'm trying to imagine (they wouldn't shoot him, or taser him either)

Out number him. Beat him with a baton. Detain him.

I think the part about the giant weapon in his hand complicated things a bit.

I do think it was excessive force, but I also think there's a misconception that all police officers in the States are brutes. For all we know, this officer is a regular guy, has never even unsheathed his weapon before and freaked the fuck out when he saw a man pull electric spikes out of his own face, and then realised that he just shot a guy.

if you dont know or haven't been trained how to deal with situations properly then you aren't doing your job properly

the issue here is that what happened is demonstrative of the training... shoot first etc.

I think that is right.

The police reaction was to kill him, not disarm him, and it seems to be a relatively engrained thing in the US police force.

I think it's just the state of affairs in the US; the whole stance of the police being to bring the bad guy to justice and punish him, whereas I'd say that the UK police force (in comparison) have a more diffusing/rehabilitating stance.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

fuck me.

and this is the exact reason why i love my country.

dont have to worry about pcp... or the police unloading an entire clip into someones chest.

[dubloke]

Excessive force? Maybe you shouldn't be swinging a war-hammer on an armed law official at a fast food restaurant?

but does that really warrant dying?

[dsprainman]

Excessive force? Maybe you shouldn't be swinging a war-hammer on an armed law official at a fast food restaurant?

but does that really warrant dying?

I'm not going to justify the death of another human being I didn't even know. I don't even know the background behind the incident. I'm just saying that here in the US, you can damn near expect to be shot if you assault a police officer. For all we know, it could have been suicide by cop (more common than you would think). That being said, I would much rather the guy who thought it was a good idea to run around town on hard drugs with a huge weapon be the one to pay the price than an innocent he could have ran across on the sidewalk.

[dubloke]

Excessive force? Maybe you shouldn't be swinging a war-hammer on an armed law official at a fast food restaurant?

but does that really warrant dying?

I'm not going to justify the death of another human being I didn't even know. I don't even know the background behind the incident. I'm just saying that here in the US, you can damn near expect to be shot if you assault a police officer. For all we know, it could have been suicide by cop (more common than you would think). That being said, I would much rather the guy who thought it was a good idea to run around town on hard drugs with a huge weapon be the one to pay the price than an innocent he could have ran across on the sidewalk.

good point

[Today]

a man was fatally shot in a dunkin donuts nearby recently
he was causing a disturbance, acting crazy, loud, threatening the employees
cops came, couldn't calm him down, tried to detain him... anyway the shot was fired because the man threw his backpack at one of the officers.. one of them instinctively shot him in the stomach, and he later died.. they said "could have contained explosives or other harmful device"

i dunno man. you don't throw backpacks at cops. but fuck.. the point is i guess, the subjects did not anticipate that their actions would end their lives
like alternatively, someone pointing a gun at cops is probably suicidal

[noam]

if i threw a sandwich at a cop it could have a grenade in it but they wouldn't be justified under any moral code in shooting me for it...

cops cover each others backs and hide behind biased judge's and investigators because at the end of the day they are a more force who represent justice and cannot appear to be flawed in their decision making in spite of the very real element of human error ingrained in every obvious poor decision they make. occasionally those decisions cost lives.

its just how it is.

the difference is they argue its how it HAS to be.

as of yet no one has any authority or seeming desire to challenge that view by making individuals accountable for their decisions, instead - and excuse the cliche - its easier to hide behind the badge.

[Comfi]

Yea, pcp scares the actual fuck out of me. That shit is fucking scary.

But fucking hell, that many fucking gunshots is unwarranted.

That taser to the face was crazy though.

[Comfi]

Yea, pcp scares the actual fuck out of me. That shit is fucking scary.

But fucking hell, that many fucking gunshots is unwarranted.

That taser to the face was crazy though.

Lol i think he had the same number of bullets in him as I had fucks in my last post.

[Hircine]

Yea, pcp scares the actual fuck out of me. That shit is fucking scary.

But fucking hell, that many fucking gunshots is unwarranted.

That taser to the face was crazy though.

Lol i think he had the same number of bullets in him as I had fucks in my last post.

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