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The point is people are using soundcloud as a marketing tool which is fine, but the thing is they are just really bad at it actually.

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wormcode wrote:Haha I could have sworn the guy who made this site used to post on here, and it was supposed to be a soundcloud competitor when it started.

The guy who made the site is Binary Finary, the site works in conjunction with soundcloud, you sir are the ruiner of forums

^ look at tony tough nuts over here

Or just write good tunes and get followers that way. In all this discussion of marketing, it's worth repeating: Content is king!

Actually though, what you're doing is not marketing, but selling. Marketing involves finding a demand in the market and supplying it. Instead, you have a product or service that you are trying to sell to the market.

JTMMusicuk wrote:Id be interested to see if theres any famous artists who have actually used these things to get where they are today

There are a couple, not really big though but still. That douchebag Dank did. His tracks suck dick and his production is just a bunch of modern talking, but every now and then his tracks pop up in the Beatport charts because he's always on Hot Tracks on soundcloud because he buys comments. Look at his waveforms and you'll see what I mean. He's in no way a famous artist but at least his shit sells on beatport which is more than I can say for my tracks. In his case it's really obvious though, if someone that was actually talented did it it would be harder to notice I guess.

I'll always maintain the same view... if your tracks are big enough then they'll get noticed, your friends will be proud to have a friend who makes bangers and will push your tunes to their friends, and so on and so on... you'll gain followers on SC that way, and maybe someone will pick them up. If they don't then maybe the tunes aren't good enough - that's my belief... and I feel that by holding that belief and getting only 30-40 listens on a track drives me to do better (if I want more listeners, my tracks need to be better etc...)

This whole thing just sounds like lonely rich kids with shit songs begging for friends... Maybe they'll make a fast buck but that's all - there's no longevity in them

why did this thread get bumped

adover wrote:I'll always maintain the same view... if your tracks are big enough then they'll get noticed, your friends will be proud to have a friend who makes bangers and will push your tunes to their friends, and so on and so on... you'll gain followers on SC that way, and maybe someone will pick them up. If they don't then maybe the tunes aren't good enough - that's my belief... and I feel that by holding that belief and getting only 30-40 listens on a track drives me to do better (if I want more listeners, my tracks need to be better etc...)

This whole thing just sounds like lonely rich kids with shit songs begging for friends... Maybe they'll make a fast buck but that's all - there's no longevity in them

I believe this is true, which leads to a different problem: EDM is a pretty much region-based thing. In some areas you'll hear only House music (like here in Germany), while in areas like Texas, I believe? They prefer harder types of Dubstep/EDM, like Excision. In the UK, the less screechy dubstep vibes are more common. And so on. Which means, that only producers that make those types of EDM in those areas are likely to get exposure quickly. Which kinda sucks. (I personally haven't had any luck finding dubstep/drum'n'bass clubs around here yet. I know of one that existed a while ago, but that one closed over a year ago)
anyone share this though/opinion? Or am I totally wrong on those locations? I think it's about right though, i read about it a while ago

I like looking on the "highscores" page to see who uses it the most. Certain people clearly used this to win various competitions

Maxxan wrote:

JTMMusicuk wrote:Id be interested to see if theres any famous artists who have actually used these things to get where they are today

There are a couple, not really big though but still. That douchebag Dank did. His tracks suck dick and his production is just a bunch of modern talking,

???

I'd like to hear what some music managers have to say about shit like this. Obviously, even the most technically gifted producers can be completely clueless on the PR and marketing side of things, its an entirely different skill set.

This may come off harsh, but if people are reading this thread they'd better understand that the last place they should take their marketing advice from is a bunch of producers no one has ever heard of.

glottis5 wrote:

Maxxan wrote:

JTMMusicuk wrote:Id be interested to see if theres any famous artists who have actually used these things to get where they are today

There are a couple, not really big though but still. That douchebag Dank did. His tracks suck dick and his production is just a bunch of modern talking,

???

Oh my god, I can't believe I've never made that connection before, hahahaha. Priceless

J4YM5 wrote:

wormcode wrote:Haha I could have sworn the guy who made this site used to post on here, and it was supposed to be a soundcloud competitor when it started.

The guy who made the site is Binary Finary, the site works in conjunction with soundcloud, you sir are the ruiner of forums

hmmm dont think ive seen this bot before...

Ohh. My meme works well here!

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Acidhedz wrote:I've been working on my overall plan for over a year. It only seems short sighted because I'm trying to pull the trigger on the whole thing now. The album is good enough to get the attention I need to start moving my career in a more professional direction. I don't need a run away hit, I just need to find the start of a core audience. So really my plan is quite long term.

You have been working for a year? You still have a long way to come to produce at a level that people will latch onto your own unique sound. Its evident that you don't have a personal sound yet (that is fine it takes years) and your success (or lack there of) has little to do with how you get your music to your "fans" but the quality of your music.

You are stating that you think your music is good enough and that because there are soooo many artists people just happen to overlook you???? That is a bit presumptuous. I would stick to creating your own sound and not worry about the promotional side of it... yes it does make a difference but if your music isnt cutting it then no amount of promotion will really help. Sure there are the flash in a pan one off artists that get big quick on some marketing scheme and then never go anywhere but thats not indicative of the music industry as a whole.

get better, and then get paid. I wish ya the best of luck as well, and i can tell you from my experience (getting signed by a large label---R&S/Apollo) that creating my own sound was the ONLY reason I got that contract. I have never promoted my own music, it makes me feel weird and I haven't seen the benefit... so again i say work hard over self-promotion any day.

Not trying to be harsh, but I'd rather see you buckle down and keep pushing as oppose to think that self-promoting like this will lead to any longevity in the industry.

Reversed wrote:

adover wrote:I'll always maintain the same view... if your tracks are big enough then they'll get noticed, your friends will be proud to have a friend who makes bangers and will push your tunes to their friends, and so on and so on... you'll gain followers on SC that way, and maybe someone will pick them up. If they don't then maybe the tunes aren't good enough - that's my belief... and I feel that by holding that belief and getting only 30-40 listens on a track drives me to do better (if I want more listeners, my tracks need to be better etc...)

This whole thing just sounds like lonely rich kids with shit songs begging for friends... Maybe they'll make a fast buck but that's all - there's no longevity in them

I believe this is true, which leads to a different problem: EDM is a pretty much region-based thing. In some areas you'll hear only House music (like here in Germany), while in areas like Texas, I believe? They prefer harder types of Dubstep/EDM, like Excision. In the UK, the less screechy dubstep vibes are more common. And so on. Which means, that only producers that make those types of EDM in those areas are likely to get exposure quickly. Which kinda sucks. (I personally haven't had any luck finding dubstep/drum'n'bass clubs around here yet. I know of one that existed a while ago, but that one closed over a year ago)
anyone share this though/opinion? Or am I totally wrong on those locations? I think it's about right though, i read about it a while ago

da fuq?

collective wrote:

Acidhedz wrote:I've been working on my overall plan for over a year. It only seems short sighted because I'm trying to pull the trigger on the whole thing now. The album is good enough to get the attention I need to start moving my career in a more professional direction. I don't need a run away hit, I just need to find the start of a core audience. So really my plan is quite long term.

You have been working for a year? You still have a long way to come to produce at a level that people will latch onto your own unique sound. Its evident that you don't have a personal sound yet (that is fine it takes years) and your success (or lack there of)....

jheeze, man went in... Got a point though, going through the same phase now. I'm trying to get an interesting distinctive sound to my stuff but I havent got it yet, hence why I pretty much stay away from labels and stuff for the moment. Once I get something interesting, different & most importantly something that I'm personally satisfied with going on, I'll try making moves