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noam wrote:why does that video reduce the passive activity of sensory perception to egoism straight away??

fuck that

because the limited perception of the nervous system is the abode of the ego. you're getting upset over a semantic gap.

you're thinking of ego as concern for the self but the way it's being described is the self that only knows the perceptions of the nervous system.

It'd be nice if there was more to it...but i fucking doubt it.

When you're done, you are done.

try opening the latter 4 circuits of your mind before you jump to any terminal conclusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circ ... sciousness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Rising

the circuitry analogy is one worth looking into. the universe being a single expression of energy. Fractal circuitry. (edit : before even reading through the first parachraph of the 8 circuits link, i knew it would have been inspired from the chakra system and then it mentioned it. )

Reality stripped down could be likened to a psycho-sensory ,polarized ,feed back loop that projects and then drives further biological impulses towards it's own self fulfiling , pre-determined culmination.

poly/multi-transcoded through initial geometric templates just for accuracy and good measure

but perceiving a circuit /expression ,and then finding out what our most harmonious role within it requires we realize we're a manifested part of it and not separate from it first!

Realizing first ,in order to then actively co-create and manifest the potential benefits that an ever-escalating 'self' (ultimately within a 'collective' context ) awareness should theoretically bring.

and that was my "Reality Tuesdays " thought of the day. sponsored by "the internet"

attain Knowledge and Conversation or you Don't Know Shit!

parson wrote:attain Knowledge and Conversation or you Don't Know Shit!

Bit of a harsh assertive. To assert what we know draws our attention away from what we don't know. But to ignore what we do know, in favor for short term comfort is something we humans need to look at .

Thought this might be appropriate.

jameshk wrote:Reality is what you make of it, trust me. The mind is a powerful tool, and you can 'hack' it into believing a lot of things. It's possible to bend the fabric of matter if you want to enough, I have done personally.

Fuck whatever lies ahead, be happy.

lolno.

it is such a privilege to be able to sincerely believe this, only if you're severely brainwashed (e.g. by religion) or if you have most of your material and emotional comforts provided to you do you can you really do it.

reality's not what you make of it. there's a shit ton of extraneous input and pre existing limitations. im pretty sure that fabric of matter thing is just you trolling, unless by "bend the fabric of matter" you mean like stretch a pair of jeans.

dubfordessert wrote:

jameshk wrote:Reality is what you make of it, trust me. The mind is a powerful tool, and you can 'hack' it into believing a lot of things. It's possible to bend the fabric of matter if you want to enough, I have done personally.

Fuck whatever lies ahead, be happy.

lolno.

it is such a privilege to be able to sincerely believe this, only if you're severely brainwashed (e.g. by religion) or if you have most of your material and emotional comforts provided to you do you can you really do it.

reality's not what you make of it. there's a shit ton of extraneous input and pre existing limitations. im pretty sure that fabric of matter thing is just you trolling, unless by "bend the fabric of matter" you mean like stretch a pair of jeans.

Your response was kind of an indication of what he said " Reality is what you make of it, trust me"

reality is an offer to interact with it. you have made your reality as such and have came to a conclusion in the same way Jameshk did.

extraneous input doesn't necessarily negate our ability to steer the direction of our perception and understanding of reality. If anything , it helps/drives the process.

reality is more malleable than we think. This doesn't mean we can all go and bend spoons , it just means we can become more conscious of the timeline that connects thought and action, which in turn influences what we experience.

d-T-r wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:

jameshk wrote:Reality is what you make of it, trust me. The mind is a powerful tool, and you can 'hack' it into believing a lot of things. It's possible to bend the fabric of matter if you want to enough, I have done personally.

Fuck whatever lies ahead, be happy.

lolno.

it is such a privilege to be able to sincerely believe this, only if you're severely brainwashed (e.g. by religion) or if you have most of your material and emotional comforts provided to you do you can you really do it.

reality's not what you make of it. there's a shit ton of extraneous input and pre existing limitations. im pretty sure that fabric of matter thing is just you trolling, unless by "bend the fabric of matter" you mean like stretch a pair of jeans.

Your response was kind of an indication of what he said " Reality is what you make of it, trust me"

reality is an offer to interact with it. you have made your reality as such and have came to a conclusion in the same way Jameshk did.

extraneous input doesn't necessarily negate our ability to steer the direction of our perception and understanding of reality. If anything , it helps/drives the process.

reality is more malleable than we think. This doesn't mean we can all go and bend spoons , it just means we can become more conscious of the timeline that connects thought and action.

"reality is an offer to interact with it" - explain

"you have made your reality as such" that as far as i can tell directly contradicts the first claim

"extraneous input doesn't necessarily negate our ability to steer the direction of our perception and understanding of reality. If anything , it helps/drives the process." well, obviously because it is input. but conflating entirely "reality" and our understanding of it is wrong and stupid. you can deceive yourself, and people do extensively and on a daily basis

my claim isn't that we do not have some influence on the way things are as such (although we have not nearly as much as the argument i'm opposing would claim we do). my claim is that the idea we "make" our reality per se and that change is a matter of a change in perception is false and tbh, dangerous. some shit is the way it is, and cannot be changed but for substantial change in *reality* not in your own perception

on acid i started this idea that what if what i was experiencing was a projection of reality? as in it was a computer simulation made for scientists to examine , as a kind of test. so my consience and senses were all a computer program and could be boiled down to a load of zeros and ones on a stack of paper.

i sobered up though and realized it was irrelevant. there is no beneficial outcome to that kind of thinking and it was quite indulgent. life is life you are the master of your own universe. "god created man in his own image" and if you take that literally it could mean that i am god and the creator.

on with the job hunt

dubfordessert wrote:

d-T-r wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:

jameshk wrote:Reality is what you make of it, trust me. The mind is a powerful tool, and you can 'hack' it into believing a lot of things. It's possible to bend the fabric of matter if you want to enough, I have done personally.

Fuck whatever lies ahead, be happy.

lolno.

it is such a privilege to be able to sincerely believe this, only if you're severely brainwashed (e.g. by religion) or if you have most of your material and emotional comforts provided to you do you can you really do it.

reality's not what you make of it. there's a shit ton of extraneous input and pre existing limitations. im pretty sure that fabric of matter thing is just you trolling, unless by "bend the fabric of matter" you mean like stretch a pair of jeans.

Your response was kind of an indication of what he said " Reality is what you make of it, trust me"

reality is an offer to interact with it. you have made your reality as such and have came to a conclusion in the same way Jameshk did.

extraneous input doesn't necessarily negate our ability to steer the direction of our perception and understanding of reality. If anything , it helps/drives the process.

reality is more malleable than we think. This doesn't mean we can all go and bend spoons , it just means we can become more conscious of the timeline that connects thought and action.

"reality is an offer to interact with it" - explain

"you have made your reality as such" that as far as i can tell directly contradicts the first claim

"extraneous input doesn't necessarily negate our ability to steer the direction of our perception and understanding of reality. If anything , it helps/drives the process." well, obviously because it is input. but conflating entirely "reality" and our understanding of it is wrong and stupid. you can deceive yourself, and people do extensively and on a daily basis

my claim isn't that we do not have some influence on the way things are as such (although we have not nearly as much as the argument i'm opposing would claim we do). my claim is that the idea we "make" our reality per se and that change is a matter of a change in perception is false and tbh, dangerous. some shit is the way it is, and cannot be changed but for substantial change in *reality* not in your own perception

i said you have made your reality as such, but i didn't say that it was in it's 'final' state. which is what our interaction with reality essentially is -it's crafting and expanding our perception and understanding.

"reality is an offer to interact with it" meaning exactly what we are doing right now. an on going interaction of it's self ,perceived and communicated from a subjective vantage point ,but pointing back and forward to the whole /singularity.

it depends on what you think you can change. It's not about any attempt to break any natural or universal laws, just to act in harmony with the same laws that tie the macro + micro and thus ourselves to better steer the acceleration of our predetermined path. you can influence reality to the extent that you become aware of your role and place within the timeline of cause and effect that laid before us and awaits us ahead. Awareness of reality doesn't mean you try or think you can go against it , just means an awarness of the self ordering that acts as catalyst in fulfilling the natural path of consciousness....which is self shaping by it's own nature....but still subject to those same universal laws and patterns.

check the social conditioning + physics thread i think Noam started. also mentioned similar things.

I'm pretty sure Matrix is one of the greatest films of all time.
We're not living in a dream, though, life is too conscious. We observe every bodily movement, every flicker of light.
But when you smoke a couple of big zoots, daaaammmnnn, this life is just one slide of the Powerpoint

Reality is whatever you want to make it.

parson wrote:

noam wrote:why does that video reduce the passive activity of sensory perception to egoism straight away??

fuck that

because the limited perception of the nervous system is the abode of the ego. you're getting upset over a semantic gap.

you're thinking of ego as concern for the self but the way it's being described is the self that only knows the perceptions of the nervous system.

right okay i understand that when its explained but you must get that to someone who hasn't read deeply into Kabbalah the way that that video advertises it is the way i took it

you start throwing the word 'ego' and 'egoism' around these days those are the conclusions 99% of people will draw

but yeh, i see your point now anyway

I've always liked the question posed in Parson's vid:
Where are you?
when attempting to have people reflect upon what they are
(for myself: Where am I?)
Unfortunately the vid suggests it knows something,
whereas I think it's better to keep asking
until there's nothing left to ask.

I also admire Clutch's pragmatism,
further inspiring me to get on with being unreal.

its like asking 'who are you' and realising there are hundreds of way we can define ourselves everyday of our lives

d-T-r wrote:

what's the first pic?