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Dub_freak wrote:If spirits actually exist, then why cant we find them with scientific instruments? If they give off some sort of energy then it could be easily measured.

It doesn't matter how hard you hallucinate, it does not make the experience any more real.

like i said- it's our measuring devices.

Ecg energy/activity can be measured.

For the record i don't mind what you (or anyone) believes and i have no need to argue for, or against either of our perceptions

do ghosts change their clothes?

needs a poll

I feel like such a knob for actually posting a ghost story.

there's no need to feel like a knob.

you said what you wanted to say

Kochari wrote:

d-T-r wrote:

DRTY wrote:I have not. I believe that's because they don't exist.

On the drugs ting. When you hallucinate, your senses are just getting jumbled up and playing silly buggers no? You're seeing/feeling/hearing your own distorted perceptions of your senses, not something which is there which you couldn't perceive without drugs.

nah, lots more going on than internal silly buggers. with certain psychedelics, much of what you experience is acting externally and independently of you.

there are an increasing number of studies happening about what your brain is doing/tuning into /transmitting during these experiences.

the problem of proof lays within our measuring devices really. "you can't tune into a radio with a ruler"

its funky shit though. said it before but the truth is much much stranger than fiction and even our imagination.

you seem like a cool guy d-T-r

just thinkin the same

a fearless bodhisattva it seems

Ha I've had glimpses like a lot of people, but i'm still piecing things together too and comparing puzzle pieces with others along the way. that's the fun of it.

everyone is a bodhisattva

Naan Bread wrote:The last time I experienced a ghost was staying on a farm built in 1912 outside Graaff Reniet in the Great Karoo. Myself and about a dozen people were playing this game called murder in the dark. I'll spare the details but basically it involves turning out all the lights (which is pretty intense in the middle of a desert) and remaining as silent as possible while the unkown "murderer" kills his victim, after which the lights are turned back on and the assigned detective makes an investigation.

That game was a lot of fun. We didn't play it in the dark though, we just closed our eyes.

d-T-r wrote:everyone is a bodhisattva

i hear that

d-T-r wrote:Ha I've had glimpses like a lot of people, but i'm still piecing things together too and comparing puzzle pieces with others along the way. that's the fun of it.

everyone is a bodhisattva

are you going to system?

was meant to be camping but the weather isnt looking ideal for it....So system is probably on the cards yes. good reminder.

would be rude not to go knowing how many other ninjas are

i think ghosts are a reflection of your unconscious mind. but i also think you guys are a reflection of my unconscious mind.

reality is a shared hallucination

i've seen a demon, the story is in some thread around here somewhere

one of my favorite chapters in robert anton wilson's Cosmic Trigger trilogy is one in the second or third books about Dog Faced Demons.

basically he did this ritual designed by crowley to invoke your True Will (or some shit like that) and bob chilled out and got his mind right listening to beethoven for a little while and then when he felt like he was ready, he performed the ritual and as soon as he was finished, the room was filled with dogfaced demons. he was like holy shit. they looked as solid and real as the furniture. then he remembered that if you feed the demons, they might not hurt you, so he imagined food, and his favorite snack appeared in his hand. when he offered the shrimp cocktail to the demons, they shrunk down to the nuns that tormented him as a kid. then they shrunk down and down till they were the kids that bullied him, then they shrunk till they were so small that they were absolutely no threat. then ol Bob fell over laughing and laughing and laughing and the hilariousness of it all. all chalked up to further evidence that we're only experiencing our own mind ever.

was he on acid? hah. me and 3 friends saw the same demon together, while we were riding in a car. it was standing in the middle of the road lurching/limping toward us

NilsFG wrote:

Naan Bread wrote:The last time I experienced a ghost was staying on a farm built in 1912 outside Graaff Reniet in the Great Karoo. Myself and about a dozen people were playing this game called murder in the dark. I'll spare the details but basically it involves turning out all the lights (which is pretty intense in the middle of a desert) and remaining as silent as possible while the unkown "murderer" kills his victim, after which the lights are turned back on and the assigned detective makes an investigation.

That game was a lot of fun. We didn't play it in the dark though, we just closed our eyes.

It is the coolest thing. If grown men can justify playing Minecraft then Murder In the Dark is justified to infinity.

we're only ever experiencing our minds in the context of us belonging to 1 single 'mind'.

but that doesnt mean that our minds can't experience 'other' 'echoed' fragments of the one mind. while i do agree and believe some things are self-projected, i still believe some other(external) things have their presence illuminated by us.(which doesnt have to mean they are just self-projected ) Of course the 'other' is still an aspect of the self though but you get what i mean.

this is where subjectivity meet's its self half way and becomes the object.

Today wrote:was he on acid? hah. me and 3 friends saw the same demon together, while we were riding in a car. it was standing in the middle of the road lurching/limping toward us

nah but magick rituals can invoke psychedelic states

your fuckin great parson