Cracked software = cracked sound

[nowaysj]

Let's get to the bottom line here, dump cubase, what a dinosaur.

[Today]

this is like, well, everyone's learned how to perform natural births so delivery wards have been cut from hospitals. If you want a career in medicine, you really have to be a surgeon.

until you wind up with a 30% rise in stillbirth and birth defects.

point being, I want people to have recording careers. I don't want to select only from indie bullshit music. Especially in rock. tbh i think most indie DIY bands suck truckloads of cock
I want acts like Queen to get industry support again so they can make incredible records.

Just wait til we live in a cesspool of shoegaze pussy rock, crusty neo-punk and brostep.

[VirtualMark]

Let's get to the bottom line here, dump cubase, what a dinosaur.

Why the Cubase hate?

[nowaysj]

Cause it is antiquated, and is buggy, and they hate their customers. For a start.

[nowaysj]

Fuck of yes, but Sharma should be getting his first

My guy is saying MAY 30th!!!!! they receive it so I'll be getting it in June some time. But Sharma and I ordered from same place, and I ordered 3 months before him, and he is scheduled to get it first, so if he does, he better be locking his studio door, cause as far as I'm concerned, that one is mine.

When I first ordered the mini brute was supposed to come in like Feb 20th.... I've been a waitin a long time. Starting to really bug me bro.

But I'd be happy to do a review, make a Kontakt patch of a fucked up bass/synth, if y'all are okay with the ancient kontakt 3.5, still haven't upgraded.

[Sharmaji]

^ ha! took me a second to realize that this wasn't about piracy. even better.

yeah i saw on the arturia website that their whole delivery date thing had been pushed back, and also saw that i'd missed a call from sweetwater (i'm out of the country at the moment so can't access vm), and i presume that's what they're telling me.

better late than never, right?

also, back to the conversation...

Unfortunately for a lot of crappy producers this means they won't get any money from their work.

newsflash: crappy producers don't deserve any money for their work. crap work is crap work and crap songs are crap songs, and should be treated as such. period. This is music in reality, not in the classroom. no one gets a pat on the back for effort.

[Today]

furthermore, there's an insane amount of great music getting nowhere and making zero money because the industry has turned its back on cultivating and promoting new artists based on music quality. It's about gimmicky promotion, capitalizing on trends, and milking cash cows while they still can, however they can. And don't point fingers at the industry for that. It's the self-entitled, web-savy consumers' fault.
and i'm not lying when i say ALL of the music files i have custody of, I paid for or got legitimately for free. I'm not outspoken about this shit for no reason. It's an issue and i know which side of it i believe in.

[Huts]

If you're going to pirate fine there is nothing anyone can do to stop you, but stop trying to justify it by saying all the free software out there is vastly improving the music community. Theres more shit music being released that ever, these forums are filled with retarded questions about opening VST's in reason from kids who stole 800$ worth of software in a few clicks of a mouse. If you want to try out any other expensive hobby you pay for it and eat your losses if you find out it's not for you, yet somehow its justified to pirate software so you can 'try out' producing. Some people I swear

[nowaysj]

^ ha! took me a second to realize that this wasn't about piracy. even better.

yeah i saw on the arturia website that their whole delivery date thing had been pushed back, and also saw that i'd missed a call from sweetwater (i'm out of the country at the moment so can't access vm), and i presume that's what they're telling me.

better late than never, right?

also, back to the conversation...

Unfortunately for a lot of crappy producers this means they won't get any money from their work.

newsflash: crappy producers don't deserve any money for their work. crap work is crap work and crap songs are crap songs, and should be treated as such. period. This is music in reality, not in the classroom. no one gets a pat on the back for effort.

Swear to god I was reging in that analog thread swear to god... I have to stop huffing all this nutmeg

Sorry for the nonsequitoriousness of that post above.

[Sine69]

I don't like using cracked software. I bought all my software, and I'm glad I did. (Though that $700+ would be useful at times )

[atlascesar]

Fuck of yes, but Sharma should be getting his first

My guy is saying MAY 30th!!!!! they receive it so I'll be getting it in June some time. But Sharma and I ordered from same place, and I ordered 3 months before him, and he is scheduled to get it first, so if he does, he better be locking his studio door, cause as far as I'm concerned, that one is mine.

When I first ordered the mini brute was supposed to come in like Feb 20th.... I've been a waitin a long time. Starting to really bug me bro.

But I'd be happy to do a review, make a Kontakt patch of a fucked up bass/synth, if y'all are okay with the ancient kontakt 3.5, still haven't upgraded.

[cmgoodman1226]

As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.

You just agreed though, physical is dead.

How are labels to fund these proverbial tours if they cant expect more then 99c a product, and noone pays that? You think venues and systems are free? I dont know about you, but Ive enver seen a subwoofer grow on a tree. If you read my post, youd see I covered how piracy was killing live music too.

Recording costs zero? you priced a microphone lately? you know how much FLStudio costs? Or the waves bundle you stole?

Are you trying to pretend maustripe still qualifies as indie when you say the markets dominated by indie labels? Have you turned on a radio, ever, in your life?

This isnt something eprsonal about my own standings in life, Im quite happy with my musical career, I press dubs out of pocket via cutting houses miles away from home, just for the love, because it feels good for the soul. The amount of money I dump into my music for the love... the fact remains products dont sell and promoters are selling there cars. The love, and willingness to invest your all in the shit, is whats going out of style due to piracy and me-me-me-all-for-free mentality.

Just so you know, there's quite a bit of data that shows that piracy only really hurts bigger name artists, but is actually BENEFICIAL to smaller artists. Don't get me wrong, to me, piracy is still stealing, and therefore wrong; but most of the people who pirate it are people who were never going to buy it in the first place, so the artist gains exposure from the download. The other ones that may have bought it if they had the money most likely WILL buy it if they really like it. How many mixes do you own? How many of those mixes contain songs that you've never bought? I don't mean to sound presumptuous, but I would assume that you probably have at least a few with tracks you don't own. How is this any different than pirating a song?

http://torrentfreak.com/why-most-artist ... om-piracy/
I know it's from a torrent website, but the data they use did not originate from them. The fact of the matter is that I agree with you that piracy is wrong, but not because of the notion that indy artists are so adversely affected by it.

[Huts]

How many mixes do you own? How many of those mixes contain songs that you've never bought? I don't mean to sound presumptuous, but I would assume that you probably have at least a few with tracks you don't own. How is this any different than pirating a song?

really? a 1:10 mix cut of a potentially unfinished, unmastered tune in a mix that was intended for free download in the context of a mix, with an MC talking over it, at 128kbs, is the same as taking a 320/wav of a full track released with the intention of being sold?

[nowaysj]

Don't even have the excuse of alcohol. Just straight losing it.

[Mad_EP]

I've never heard any professional musician say that pirating has had no negative effect on them financially.

A lot of hobbyists seem to believe it though - that somehow the glorious 'exposure' of being downloaded on a torrent site leads to actual sales.


Essentially we are talking about de-valuing a product or service (in this case music)... and it is the same reason why I turn down playing gigs for free that are supposed to be "good exposure". I did some of those when I first started out, and I can count on exactly ZERO fingers how many paid gigs resulted. I got asked to play a whole lot more free gigs, but no paid gigs. However, when I decided on a proper fee and stuck to it - plenty of paid gigs came in.

[AxeD]

I support anyone who hates Cubase.

On the piracy note: I'd be the happiest guy in the world if a million people pirate my EP, tune whatever.
If I'm making a living out of it my opinion would probably change.

[hasezwei]

to all the guys saying piracy helps indies and hurts majors:

how many major labels have closed down over the last years thanks to piracy? compare that to indies.
lady gaga won't die because billions pirate her song, cause her label has an army of lawyers sueing people, for major labels piracy has become part of the plan. no indie can afford that.
then again i used to make tapes and burn cd's and back then no one complained so what do i know. i think youtube is hurting music sales even more because most people i know don't even download music anymore, that's how lazy we've become.

[cmgoodman1226]

How many mixes do you own? How many of those mixes contain songs that you've never bought? I don't mean to sound presumptuous, but I would assume that you probably have at least a few with tracks you don't own. How is this any different than pirating a song?

really? a 1:10 mix cut of a potentially unfinished, unmastered tune in a mix that was intended for free download in the context of a mix, with an MC talking over it, at 128kbs, is the same as taking a 320/wav of a full track released with the intention of being sold?

So every tune in a mix has to be unfinished and unmastered? You've never downloaded a mix from the unsigned guys on here before? And just because the mix was intended for free download from the dj who spun it doesn't mean it was intended for free download from the original artist.

Oh so it's about the sound quality too? So If I rip a track off youtube where the sound quality is shit, that's not piracy because it's such a low quality?

[Killamike49]

I think the point huts was trying to make, is that it's like listening to a preview on beatport. You don't get the whole tune, and most of the time the tunes being manipulated in one way or another anyway.

[cmgoodman1226]

I think the point huts was trying to make, is that it's like listening to a preview on beatport. You don't get the whole tune, and most of the time the tunes being manipulated in one way or another anyway.

It's not like listening to a preview on beatport, because you don't possess the file like you do with a mix. All I'm saying is that if you get so up in arms about piracy, owning a mix with finished tunes on it is essentially the same thing. It's one thing if you own every single song from the mix, but most people don't. And these same people are always the first to raise their arms and talk about how terrible piracy is.