Stock sounds - who needs plugins?

[ehbes]

Congratulations, for you naivety and stubbornness you have won the only spot on my foe list

[Rappone]

Congratulations, for your naivety and stubbornness you have won the only spot on my foe list

w00ps

[Artie_Fufkin]

I tried "Renoise sounds" and nothing autocompleted. But everyone knows you can only make gabber/breakcore/idm with it.
And mpReverb2 is my go-to reverb....just my taste I guess.

ANYWAYS...what was this thread about?
Subfect, I disagree. If you are trying to mimic someone else's sound and they used a really unique effect and you limit yourself to stock effects that don't come close, you're making it more difficult on yourself. Even if it's not so unique, like fm synthesis, and your daw comes with no synths at all(renoise), you have to expand your palette of sounds somehow. Sure, restricting yourself can force you to produce new sounds with the same old stuff, but there are plenty of producers who would have never created some of their sounds without new plugins.
Both have their merits.
As for a tutorial, I'd be interested in what you did for the bass and pads. Not a full video tutorial but just the gist of the sounds with a short description.
This gives me an idea though. How would you guys feel about a "Betcha can't make this sound" thread, where you post a unique sound you've made and challenge everyone to recreate it? I've got a few ideas I bet I could stump you guys with

[NinjaEdit]

I posted in another thread that I've been using just Ableton stock plugins and samples. You can basically make the same sort of stuff, like a Rusko tune, although if you just use Analog, the bass sound will be less complex, but is that worse?

Here's my tip:

Open Analogue
Set the oscillators -2 octaves
set one wave to the pulse, and adjust the width.
set the other wave to sine
Add some noise
Send them into the same lowpass filter
In the amp envelope, turn up the sustain, and turn down the release
Turn on the unison, set the voices to four, and detune
Set up and LFO to restart, and assign it to the cutoff (and resonance, amp, pitch, pulse width etc)
Automate the LFO frequency
Your basic dubstep wobble, yeah?

What Ableton lacks is a transient shaper and a spectrum analyser?

I was thinking of changing to Reason for its stock. I would mixdown in something else, though.

This gives me an idea though. How would you guys feel about a "Betcha can't make this sound" thread, where you post a unique sound you've made and challenge everyone to recreate it?

I'd love to emulate your sounds with Ableton stock.

[subfect]

What Ableton lacks is a transient shaper and a spectrum analyser?

Yes, and no I really wish it had a transient shaper.

[nameless133]

Fuck VSTi's. I use only samplers.

[wub]

This couldn't be further from the truth. RESTRICTING yourself, is what helps boost creativity and allow you to find ways of creating sounds

If you told a painter they could only use black & white in their paintings, would their work become better than if they had a full palette of colour to work from?

[bRRRz]

Restricting yourself where you have a lot of choices is a bad idea. It doesn't boost creativity, at least for me. If you are restricted by outside factors, for example not having enough money for a new plugin which means that you have no choice but to use what you've got, can be helpful in my experience.

[subfect]

This couldn't be further from the truth. RESTRICTING yourself, is what helps boost creativity and allow you to find ways of creating sounds

If you told a painter they could only use black & white in their paintings, would their work become better than if they had a full palette of colour to work from?

Getting good at black and white before moving on would be rather beneficial, don't you think?

How many times have you suffered from writer's block? For me, restricting myself helps overcome it pretty easily.

[wub]

This couldn't be further from the truth. RESTRICTING yourself, is what helps boost creativity and allow you to find ways of creating sounds

If you told a painter they could only use black & white in their paintings, would their work become better than if they had a full palette of colour to work from?

Getting good at black and white before moving on would be rather beneficial, don't you think?

That was meant as a more rhetorical question...for some artists (and I'm using the term loosely to inc. electronic producers here) there is no guarantee that limiting your resources will necessarily mean you produce something incredible, nor that having the brandest newest synthiest synths all the time will mean likewise.

It's a case of different strokes for different folks (artist/brush circular reference, go team me )...what works for someone might not work for someone else.

How many times have you suffered from writer's block? For me, restricting myself helps overcome it pretty easily.

Hardly ever any more, but I've shifted my focus in production to the point where 90-95% of the time I start off doing sound design and find myself either a) coming up with something by accident and developing it into a tune or b) just building up my sound library for further use/development down the line.

The resources I may or not be using during such a session vary wildly, but I don't think or it as restricting myself...it's just a matter of trying different things.

[billybuxton]

http://postimage.org/image/6p3vot0iz/full/

Here you go.

Hey can we see that screen shot of you with green hair?

[NinjaEdit]

This couldn't be further from the truth. RESTRICTING yourself, is what helps boost creativity and allow you to find ways of creating sounds

If you told a painter they could only use black & white in their paintings, would their work become better than if they had a full palette of colour to work from?

I don't think that's a fair analogy because you're not limiting the sounds, but the tools. It's more like you have two stock paint brushes to use, and not every paint brush on the market.

It's how you use it.

[wub]

Exactly my point - limiting resources/tools/etc might not work for everyone as a viable method of kickstarting productivity.

[NinjaEdit]

I made this tune with Ableton stock.

Soundcloud

[outdropt]

Chuckie made this tune using stock ableton plugins.



Not saying its the best by him, but it is still good.

Plugin's are tools, like any other.

One could attempt to cut a steak with a butter knife, and I am sure with enough time its possible. But a steak knife's purpose is to cut steak, a steak knife makes cutting a steak a lot faster, smoother, and easier. So why not use it?

Know what i mean. You can sit for hours trying to automate multiple operator patches to get a twisted bass line, but FM has the routing and effects build in to make this much simpler, imo.

It comes down to preference, like always.

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[outdropt]

Double post

[big_lurch]

This thread is an ache in the balls.

[VirtualMark]

It seems quite straightforward to me - if you don't have enough plugins you'll limit your capabilities. Some sounds will be unattainable and other things will take you much longer to do without a dedicated plugin. I.e you could do a delay manually but it'd take ages.

But if you have too many plugins, you'll never get to know them all well enough. You'll never use them all to their potential.

So personally i like to have a lot of choice but to a point. For example, i have a couple of reverbs, one algorithmic, one convolution(aether and altiverb), i find this gives me enough choice while not being ott.

[wub]

Like having a hardware synth, perfect example of a way to limit your capabilities.

[SaveMidnight]

This guy made a dubstep tune with out using Massive, quick somebody get him a medal!!!

Lol so hard