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InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

Phigure wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:First of all- very excellent thread.

Anyways, I'm not too up-to-date on the mysterious EDM producers (honestly I think that's a bit of a joke- you make dance music, not fucking black metal or something.)

My favorite group that does this is The Radio Dept., a dreampop/shoegazey band from Sweden. It's not gimmicky- they just don't care about anything other than the music, and I love that. They hardly do interviews, and when they do, you can tell that they are genuinely low-key and shy people who don't seek fame and fortune.

why is it only okay for non-edm (that term makes me cringe fuck) artists to do it?

Because in essence, dance music is meant to... be danced to. To be played in a large room packed with people having a good time. Other forms of music, (say, ambient music) is meant for reflection in a usually more intimate setting, and ***GENERALLY SPEAKING***, has more (intellectual) content than dance music, hence the musician being unknown can enhance that. (No, intellectually deep movie quotes don't count towards this.)

Dance music by nature is meant to be a social experience, why would the person making it want to flaunt being unsocial? Not wanting to do a fuck ton of interviews/be in the spotlight all the time isn't what I'm talking about, it's total anonymity to the extent of it being a gimmick that I'm referencing here.

I'm not trying to diminish the importance of dance music, keep that in mind. I love dance/electronica music very much.

If anyone has any sort of question/problem with what I've said, kindly message me and we can chat it out in private.

alright so first of all, justt because something is "dance" music does not mean that its purpose is solely relegated to the purpose of dancing to. by that logic, anyone listening to dance music anywhere besides the dance floor is misusing it. bullshit. while most dance music may be best enjoyed in that context, by and large you can listen to a lot dance music just like any other genre

then there's the part where you basically go ahead and make the awful generalization (saying "generally speaking" isn't an excuse) that dance music inherently has no intellectual/deeper merit to it, solely because of the genre that this music has been assigned to. guess what - there's shallow, vapid music in every genre, and i'd say more or less similar proportions of it in most genres as well.

sure, dance music is largely a social thing (even this is debatable though), but that has nothing to do with the producer of the track itself. the tracks get played on the dancefloor, who gives a fuck how the producer acts? i don't see how that affects the social experience of the dance at all. keeping your personal identity/personality/image/whatever separate from your music isn't even "unsocial". yes, there's people who do it for the gimmick, but i wouldn't even say that they're being "unsocial" about it.

ps fuck private chat, what's the point of a forum if youre only going to discuss things over PM

InternetSlaveMaster wrote: Because in essence, dance music is meant to... be danced to. To be played in a large room packed with people having a good time. Other forms of music, (say, ambient music) is meant for reflection in a usually more intimate setting, and ***GENERALLY SPEAKING***, has more (intellectual) content than dance music, hence the musician being unknown can enhance that. (No, intellectually deep movie quotes don't count towards this.)

Don't get me started on IDM (Intelligent Dance Music) vs. SDM (Stupid Dance Music).

Phigure wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

Phigure wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:First of all- very excellent thread.

Anyways, I'm not too up-to-date on the mysterious EDM producers (honestly I think that's a bit of a joke- you make dance music, not fucking black metal or something.)

My favorite group that does this is The Radio Dept., a dreampop/shoegazey band from Sweden. It's not gimmicky- they just don't care about anything other than the music, and I love that. They hardly do interviews, and when they do, you can tell that they are genuinely low-key and shy people who don't seek fame and fortune.

why is it only okay for non-edm (that term makes me cringe fuck) artists to do it?

Because in essence, dance music is meant to... be danced to. To be played in a large room packed with people having a good time. Other forms of music, (say, ambient music) is meant for reflection in a usually more intimate setting, and ***GENERALLY SPEAKING***, has more (intellectual) content than dance music, hence the musician being unknown can enhance that. (No, intellectually deep movie quotes don't count towards this.)

Dance music by nature is meant to be a social experience, why would the person making it want to flaunt being unsocial? Not wanting to do a fuck ton of interviews/be in the spotlight all the time isn't what I'm talking about, it's total anonymity to the extent of it being a gimmick that I'm referencing here.

I'm not trying to diminish the importance of dance music, keep that in mind. I love dance/electronica music very much.

If anyone has any sort of question/problem with what I've said, kindly message me and we can chat it out in private.

alright so first of all, justt because something is "dance" music does not mean that its purpose is solely relegated to the purpose of dancing to. by that logic, anyone listening to dance music anywhere besides the dance floor is misusing it. bullshit. while most dance music may be best enjoyed in that context, by and large you can listen to a lot dance music just like any other genre

then there's the part where you basically go ahead and make the awful generalization (saying "generally speaking" isn't an excuse) that dance music inherently has no intellectual/deeper merit to it, solely because of the genre that this music has been assigned to. guess what - there's shallow, vapid music in every genre, and i'd say more or less similar proportions of it in most genres as well.

sure, dance music is largely a social thing (even this is debatable though), but that has nothing to do with the producer of the track itself. the tracks get played on the dancefloor, who gives a fuck how the producer acts? i don't see how that affects the social experience of the dance at all. keeping your personal identity/personality/image/whatever separate from your music isn't even "unsocial". yes, there's people who do it for the gimmick, but i wouldn't even say that they're being "unsocial" about it.

ps fuck private chat, what's the point of a forum if youre only going to discuss things over PM

(saying "generally speaking" isn't an excuse)

I could make a rebuttle, but for what, so you can NOT ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT I SAID AND MAKE HYPERCRITICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THINGS I SPECIFICALLY SAID I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT? No thanks.

I'll just keep listening to Avicii Levels and get lost in thought about how ooooooh sometimes he gets a good feeling, yeah. Or maybe listen to Badman and ponder about how Badman like good things, badman like the best things, as a matter of fact.

I'm not saying that all non-edm is smart, and all edm is stupid, hence the "generally speaking" you felt so entitled to decide wasn't what I really meant.

I said "PM me" because:
1) if it's really important to you, you'd make the effort. If it's not important enough to take the initiative, I'm not going to bother putting time/effort into a response you aren't going to care about (or, evidently, even bother to read what I specifically wrote and dismiss my own acknowledgements of my generalizations)
2) I don't want to derail the thread into a pointless forum brawl because someone took what I said out of context

And mks, you're too much

PS, ok, I couldn't help myself:

Phigure wrote:sure, dance music is largely a social thing (even this is debatable though)

Have fun at your 4 man rave where nobody talks to eachother and dances in separate corners of the room

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:I could make a rebuttle, but for what, so you can NOT ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT I SAID AND MAKE HYPERCRITICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THINGS I SPECIFICALLY SAID I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT? No thanks.

seems more like you're just afraid of being proven wrong after saying something stupid. and it's not an excuse because it's an incorrect statement whether you're speaking generally or not

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:I'll just keep listening to Avicii Levels and get lost in thought about how ooooooh sometimes he gets a good feeling, yeah. Or maybe listen to Badman and ponder about how Badman like good things, badman like the best things, as a matter of fact.

so you think the only way music can intellectually engage the listener is through lyrics? pretty shallow if you ask me

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:I said "PM me" because:
1) if it's really important to you, you'd make the effort. If it's not important enough to take the initiative, I'm not going to bother putting time/effort into a response you aren't going to care about (or, evidently, even bother to read what I specifically wrote and dismiss my own acknowledgements of my generalizations)
2) I don't want to derail the thread into a pointless forum brawl because someone took what I said out of context

like it's any effort at all to fucking pm you? it's literally a single button click. i clearly took the initiative to write a thought out response, which requires much more effort than left clicking the PM button. and it's not a pointless derail, it's pretty relevant to the discussion at hand...

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:Have fun at your 4 man rave where nobody talks to eachother and dances in separate corners of the room

i was agreeing with you, but said it was debatable, because it is. you know you can dance on your own right? it's electronic dance music, not electronic group dance music

went from normal discussion to fully retarded at the hands of another american teenager wooooiiiiiii
not that there is anything wrong with anythig

Phigure wrote:seems more like you're just afraid of being proven wrong. and it's not an excuse because it's an incorrect statement whether you're speaking generally or not

Or maybe I was actually just speaking generally. You've got to be kidding me if you think there's more intelligently stimulating dance music than non-dance music.

I don't see why you get to question my logic, when by your very own logic "generally speaking" apparently doesn't mean "generally speaking" but actually "don't prove me wrong", because I'm totally worried about being proven wrong when it comes to entirely subjective questions.

But again, I'm sure you're better at conveying my own thoughts than I actually am.

Phigure wrote:so you think the only way music can intellectually engage the listener is through lyrics? pretty shallow if you ask me

Mhm, because I totally haven't written plenty of tracks that tell stories through instrumental music, or have instrumental concept albums or anything, but yeah, you hardly know me so you can definitely gauge how shallow and/or ignorant I am when it comes to music

Phigure wrote:like it's any effort at all to fucking pm you?

Again, refer to my second point of why I wanted you to PM me. I was trying to be polite, but ok: Stop fucking ruining this thread with pointless shit, if you've got a problem with what I said (or as it seems, a problem with me personally), take it out on me, not the other people who enjoy this thread/want to see the initial conversation continue rather than your (selective) nit-picking of my opinions.

But alright man, it's been fun, gonna go back to listening to my electronic group dance music now.

this existed what? I didn't even notice.

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:Or maybe I was actually just speaking generally. You've got to be kidding me if you think there's more intelligently stimulating dance music than non-dance music.

I don't see why you get to question my logic, when by your very own logic "generally speaking" apparently doesn't mean "generally speaking" but actually "don't prove me wrong"

the "afraid of being proven wrong" was in response to you saying "I could make a rebuttle, but for what". when did i ever say "generally speaking" doesn't mean "generally speaking"? i said it's irrelevant because it's incorrect whether it's a general statement or not

and yes, i don't think it's difficult to argue there's more intellectually stimulating dance music than non-dance music...

how about this. oooooh i must be kidding you, huh?

vs

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:Mhm, because I totally haven't written plenty of tracks that tell stories through instrumental music, or have instrumental concept albums or anything, but yeah, you hardly know me so you can definitely gauge how shallow and/or ignorant I am when it comes to music

so then why are you saying (even "generally") that it can't be intellectually stimulating?

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:Again, refer to my second point of why I wanted you to PM me. I was trying to be polite, but ok: Stop fucking ruining this thread with pointless shit, if you've got a problem with what I said (or as it seems, a problem with me personally), take it out on me, not the other people who enjoy this thread/want to see the initial conversation continue rather than your (selective) nit-picking of my opinions.

But alright man, it's been fun, gonna go back to listening to my electronic group dance music now.

you can play the whole "i don't want to ruin the thread, im so noble, omg youre ruining it for everyone" card to get your patronization on just like sonika does with "i'll be the better person and stop replying", but it's a fucking thread - the purpose is discussion. if people dont want to read these posts, they dont have to. it's not like i'm just spamming the thread with emoticons or something stupid

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:But alright man, it's been fun, gonna go back to listening to my electronic group dance music now.

you shouldnt be listening to that stuff at home man, it's only meant for dancing to? "To be played in a large room packed with people having a good time", no?


edit: i feel like i have to wash myself just from participating in this stupid debate

InternetSlaveMaster wrote: You've got to be kidding me if you think there's more intelligently stimulating dance music than non-dance music.

Come on man, maybe the latest David Guetta or Cazzette tune is perhaps not the most enlightened music, but I'll be goddamned if the music I'm into or indeed have made and released myself will get belittled by you as not intelligently stimulating. That's just a speng comment.

Fuckit, entire genres are made up of intelligently stimulating dance music.

Is it too late for a popcorn gif?

Terpit wrote:Is it too late for a popcorn gif?

probably, this makes me look too bad to keep replying

then again if he says something really dumb again i probably wont be able to resist

Phigure wrote:

Terpit wrote:Is it too late for a popcorn gif?

probably, this makes me look too bad to keep replying

then again if he says something really dumb again i probably wont be able to resist

Please dont start PMing each other, it would be selfish.

pete bubonic wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote: You've got to be kidding me if you think there's more intelligently stimulating dance music than non-dance music.

Come on man, maybe the latest David Guetta or Cazzette tune is perhaps not the most enlightened music, but I'll be goddamned if the music I'm into or indeed have made and released myself will get belittled by you as not intelligently stimulating. That's just a speng comment.

Again, wasn't saying that EDM is emotionless/etc. (Pretty sure I've made it pretty apparent that this *isn't at all* what I meant/said, and I'm honestly baffled how people can suggest that from what I've written.)

Was just a generalization.

I didn't say EDM is devoid of emotion. If you even took 10 seconds to listen to my music (or even bothered to think about why I'm on this forum in the first place), you may come to the conclusion that I enjoy/produce dance music as well. (Makes sense, yeah?)

Would appreciate not having my opinions insulted considering you don't even understand what I've said.

Further reading for anyone else who thinks I'm trying to watch the world burn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization

And Phigure, a bit funny (read: hypocritical) how you claim that I'm the one who's trying to take the "noble high road" by suggesting you PM me, when you're the one who all the sudden decided that the very debate you started/continued to keep going after I asked you to PM me is all of the sudden juvenile.

You little rascal you!

again, i understand you, but I'm saying the generalization is wrong. You act as if a generalization is an infallible, unattackable position

And yes, it is a stupid debate and it makes me look as bad as you for doing it. i knew it was juvenile to begin with. but i felt like calling someone out on their bullshit (relative to the topic of the thread) and i got an entertaining response. there's no particular reason to take it to PM

incnic wrote:went from normal discussion to fully retarded at the hands of another american teenager wooooiiiiiii

loooooooool

LOL at generalisations making it all okay. Yeah fam, it's dumb as shit GENERALLY SPEAKING THOUGH M8.

Pissed I wrote though instead of tho. Going to have to lock this thread now.

edit - I didn't actually lock it before everyone draws for the pitchfork

had potential. Why do so many threads like that get locked? It wasn't hurting anyone.

I agree.
Seems a bit silly that it got locked.
Pete's choice though.
He has his reasons.