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Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:The irish wont be happy if London got independence before they did.

Ireland has been inedpendent for nearly 100 years

Most of it has...

Pedro Sánchez wrote:What's the average LHA in London? just out of interest.

Never looked at this myself; thought I'd have a squiz....

Apparently for my post code (West End)

Shared Room
£535.17
1 Bedroom
£1083.33
2 Bedroom
£1256.67
3 Bedroom
£1473.33
4 Bedroom
£1733.33

Based on my (pretty cheap) shared room that'd cover around 75% of my rent before bills/council tax.

Lye Form wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:The irish wont be happy if London got independence before they did.

Ireland has been inedpendent for nearly 100 years

Most of it has...

Nearly 99% of voters in the North voted against Independence from the UK in 1973, so I'm not sure they'd be too pissed off about other places geting it before them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_I ... ndum,_1973

Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:The irish wont be happy if London got independence before they did.

Ireland has been inedpendent for nearly 100 years

Most of it has...

Nearly 99% of voters in the North voted against Independence from the UK in 1973, so I'm not sure they'd be too pissed off about other places geting it before them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_I ... ndum,_1973

The vote resulted in an overwhelming majority of those who voted stating they wished to remain in the UK. The nationalist boycott contributed to a turnout of only 58.7% of the electorate. In addition to taking a majority of votes cast, the UK option received the support of 57.5% of the total electorate. According to the BBC, less than 1% of the Catholic population turned out to vote.

magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:What's the average LHA in London? just out of interest.

Never looked at this myself; thought I'd have a squiz....

Apparently for my post code (West End)

Shared Room
£535.17
1 Bedroom
£1083.33
2 Bedroom
£1256.67
3 Bedroom
£1473.33
4 Bedroom
£1733.33

Based on my (pretty cheap) shared room that'd cover around 75% of my rent before bills/council tax.

In comparison to central manchester, the average private rent on a 1bed flat is £500pcm-600pcm, LHA is set at 375pcm for that, so it is kind of relative but still when you consider NMW won't even cut it renting at £500pcm after bills, shows you the problem London has.

djredi2step wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

Lye Form wrote:The irish wont be happy if London got independence before they did.

Ireland has been inedpendent for nearly 100 years

Most of it has...

Nearly 99% of voters in the North voted against Independence from the UK in 1973, so I'm not sure they'd be too pissed off about other places geting it before them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_I ... ndum,_1973

The vote resulted in an overwhelming majority of those who voted stating they wished to remain in the UK. The nationalist boycott contributed to a turnout of only 58.7% of the electorate. In addition to taking a majority of votes cast, the UK option received the support of 57.5% of the total electorate. According to the BBC, less than 1% of the Catholic population turned out to vote.

58% is a standard turnout in any election (the General election in 2001 only had that many), if 99% of them vote one way then it's still a majority vote even if the other 42% were all going to vote the other way, that's democracy.

Yes but there was a nationalist boycott. If the election was anywhere near a true reflection I doubt this shit would have happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
Surely you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

djredi2step wrote:Yes but there was a nationalist boycott. If the election was anywhere near a true reflection I doubt this shit would have happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
Surely you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

You don't seem to grasp percentages and democracy though. There was a 58% turnout and 99% of them voted to stay part of the UK, even if you count all of the remaining 42% that didn't vote as Nationalists boycotting the vote that would have voted to be part of Ireland then the results would still be the majority in favor of staying part of the UK.

There were a minority that wanted the place to be part of Ireland and out of the UK, tie in some religion and aggro from both sides and you get the troubles.

I understand that. I'm sure if somewhere else became independent before them though there would be a large amount of pissed off northern irish people. anyway back on topic?

Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

The value of exports produced is dependent on the size of a region’s economy and it is important to note that the production of some goods (for example motor vehicles), can involve several separate stages of production that may take place across more than one region, therefore these figures should therefore be interpreted carefully. This indicator does not include the value of the export of services.

djredi2step wrote:

The value of exports produced is dependent on the size of a region’s economy and it is important to note that the production of some goods (for example motor vehicles), can involve several separate stages of production that may take place across more than one region, therefore these figures should therefore be interpreted carefully. This indicator does not include the value of the export of services.

Even (incorrectly) assuming all wealth is generated from exports that map shows per employee- Greater London has about as many people living in it as Scotland and Wales combined. It'd look quite different if it was showing total amounts per region.

This is true. im not saying either way. i couldn't find one that didn't do it per employee. thougt id post it anyway

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Catholics wont call themselves british or "northern irish" just irish.

I think with the history of gerrymandering and whatnot in the north (where i believe there are still more brits living than irish?) i wouldn't trust statistics saying that everyone is perfectly happy with it.

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Oh, how's that?

Lye Form wrote:Catholics wont call themselves british or "northern irish" just irish.

Broadly speaking of course.

Lye Form wrote:I think with the history of gerrymandering and whatnot in the north (where i believe there are still more brits living than irish?) i wouldn't trust statistics saying that everyone is perfectly happy with it.

Tell that to anyone from Fermanagh or Tyrone

Laszlo wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Oh, how's that?

They are brits.. invaded ireland in the 1600s and stuck around.

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Oh, how's that?

They are brits.. invaded ireland in the 1600s and stuck around.

yeah man, right, and when are those saxon stnuc gunna fuck off out of england??? Dont even get me started on those Normans...

Robert Emmet, Constance Markievicz, Wolf Tone, Roger Casement.

Just four of many Protestant Irish Nationalists. There are loads of protestant Irish both sides of the border

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Oh, how's that?

They are brits.. invaded ireland in the 1600s and stuck around.

You Slabbering?
Ach you're away in the head, so you are. Catch yourself on!

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Final word on that - the vast majority of people in N.Ireland consider themselves Northern Irish or British.

Just saying.

the protestants do.. because they ain't really irish....

Oh, how's that?

They are brits.. invaded ireland in the 1600s and stuck around.

People have been going back and forth and invading each other all over Europe for the last couple of thousand years including people from mainland Britain to Ireland long before there was such a thing as a Protestant, and like someone pointed out- Britain and most of Europe was invaded and settled by Romans,Vikings, Normans, Saxons etc.- you don't see people saying keep Britain for the Britons and anyone with Saxon ancestors should go back to where they came from. And depending on how far back you want to go I'm guessing all the first people to get to Ireland went via Britain.

400+ years of ancestors in a place and they are still invading foreigners that need to get out in your eyes? Sounds pretty racist to me. And if you follow that logic then I'm pretty sure half of the worlds populations would need to migrate back (certainly most of N and S America).