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test recordings wrote:^ didn't you read any of the links for interviews posted? 90s rappers got told to make stuff about violence, hoes and illegal drugs. They're promoting a lifestyle by having so much media attention on them being rich doing that shit.

Op is questioning why there isn't more positive material being played.

No, they would have got told to do it because it was already being done and already popular. It's because it was selling big so of course anyone from a major label is going to want as much gangster shit as possible if it sells. It's not done to undermine black culture or even to just promote a lifestyle. It's because it sells.

Same would have happened with bands in the 90s when Nirvarna blew up. Suddenly the parameter for what is selling big in guitar bands is completely different to the 80s. Anyone from Seattle or with a grungy sound is going to get pushed in case they can make big money like Nirvana. I'm sure plenty bands were told to sound more like or dress more like grunge. Same with punk before that too.

Also as Magma said. Kendrick Lamar is absolutely huge at the moment and his last album was pretty much a concept album about growing up in Compton with an underlying message by the end of the album about the negative aspects of getting involved in all the gang and drugs shit. He has a huge crossover appeal. He had mainstream success because his music was current sounding, its production is of a standard of a new huge popular record, it's catchy as fuck and it's identifiable. The messages in it exist still within the frame of the story telling that is exciting for those not from his background and identifiable to those who are.

A lot of you guys are acting like it's the radio's fault that people don't want to listen to a load of shit with beats that sound like they're from the 90s with the production quality of being made in someone's bedroom with someone preaching over the top about how to be a good member of society. That's just not what people want. Stop acting like hip hop is some supreme art form that is just being ruined by some white conspiracy.

Besides all that you're forgetting there is a time and place for everything. When you're at the club you want catchy bass heavy energetic music about all of that shallow stuff. Most people (including me) are just gonna want some dumb shit about getting fucked up and sex when they're out in a club where things like that are on likely to be on their mind. I can't imagine anything worse than having a whole night listening to immortal technique ramble on about the Illuminati while I'm busy drinking and socializing. Ever play beer pong to juicy j mixtapes at a party? Definitely a better vibe than if someone just played Aesop Rock the whole time. There is music for every situation and hip hop isn't somehow "above" that.

Then consider that again the average person is likely to always be in that frame of mind and not care about "the art" of it. All pop music is shallow as fuck. Guetta for example has terrible lyrics. Popular rock music isn't going to have the biting sarcastic social commentary that Jello Biafra's lyrics in Dead Kennedys had or the 20 minute epics you'd find on a King Crimson album. Get real people, popular music is in general on a pretty base level. The criminal aspect of popular rap music is just there because it actually reflects a lot of problems within the part of American society those rappers come from and then also sells to those middle class kids who want to hear something exciting and rebellious compared to their everyday lives.

HipHop promotes violence and poor debt management
Dubstep promotes shit haircuts and pumps
Techno promotes ikea
House promotes liars
THE END

i dunno...i dont hear violent music played on the radio.

it's mostly about going out to the club and spending money and getting laid.

if anything it's waaaaaay more sexually explicit then it is violent.

Terpit wrote:I'm always shocked by the sexually explicit/violent lyrics that I hear on the radio over here, in the Middle East ffs. If there is a watershed for this stuff on telly, why not on radio

sexual violence is pretty intrinsic to a lot of middle eastern culture so it doesn't surprise me one bit to be honest.

magma wrote:BTW, Harkat, Brixton has gentrified massively over the last ten years, but Hootenannies is about the least Brixton venue in Brixton. Awful tourist trap of a place.



*though it does offer a chance to see Pool's answer to Mr Miagi. Out to those that know.

We didn't get in anyway though, it was 20+ and we were both 18. Did notice people seemed serious about their pool there lol.

We tried the one next door, the basement one which advertised its weekly quiz, which was the most dickhead-infested, hipster pub I've been to. Everyone in there were was a white 20something wearing a V neck and a smug facial expression and the bar ladies were the rudest service staff I've ever interacted with. Straight up ignoring us asking them if we could order now, even when there was literally nobody else ordering.

Are you familiar with that one?

btw this thread was very interesting props

Pedro Sánchez wrote:HipHop promotes violence and poor debt management
Dubstep promotes shit haircuts and pumps
Techno promotes ikea
House promotes liars
THE END

What does funky promote?
What does (did?) jungle promote?

Harkat wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:HipHop promotes violence and poor debt management
Dubstep promotes shit haircuts and pumps
Techno promotes ikea
House promotes liars
THE END

What does funky promote?
What does (did?) jungle promote?

dunno bout funky but jungle clearly promotes greasy dreads

Harkat wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:HipHop promotes violence and poor debt management
Dubstep promotes shit haircuts and pumps
Techno promotes ikea
House promotes liars
THE END

What does funky promote?
What does (did?) jungle promote?

Funky - Middle class white girls in short dresses going out on their parents' money
Jungle - Camouflage clothing boom

garethom wrote:

Harkat wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:HipHop promotes violence and poor debt management
Dubstep promotes shit haircuts and pumps
Techno promotes ikea
House promotes liars
THE END

What does funky promote?
What does (did?) jungle promote?

Funky - Middle class white girls in short dresses going out on their parents' money
Jungle - Camouflage clothing boom

Yeah, Funky promoted orange slags dutty whynin'
Jungle promoted tramps with record bags

hmm alright i'm getting the picture here, but what does 130 promote? I reckon it promotes freeing the realness.

garethom wrote: Funky - Middle class white girls in short dresses going out on their parents' money

wish there were more funky nights

Harkat wrote:hmm alright i'm getting the picture here, but what does 130 promote? I reckon it promotes freeing the realness.

130 promotes excessive ket consumption

m8son wrote:

garethom wrote: Funky - Middle class white girls in short dresses going out on their parents' money

wish there were more funky nights

Unless you're wearing a blazer, have spent more money on maintaining your hench, endlessly styled quiff and also don't have a job but DO have a merc, they aren't gonna be interested man.

Should be noted, the only place I know that plays funky around here is Apres in Solihull, so this might not be a true reflection of the state of funky.

magma wrote: Art reflects society, it doesn't create society.

ur wrong

it cleary reflects and creates

garethom wrote:Unless you're wearing a blazer, have spent more money on maintaining your hench, endlessly styled quiff and also don't have a job but DO have a merc, they aren't gonna be interested man.

Should be noted, the only place I know that plays funky around here is Apres in Solihull, so this might not be a true reflection of the state of funky.

yep sums up 90% of the people that were at the only funky night i've been too lol

bennyfroobs wrote:

magma wrote: Art reflects society, it doesn't create society.

ur wrong

it cleary reflects and creates

nah, but it does harness the framework of any art form to be highly suggestive in such a way that appeals to it's audience.

wolf89 wrote:

test recordings wrote:^ didn't you read any of the links for interviews posted? 90s rappers got told to make stuff about violence, hoes and illegal drugs. They're promoting a lifestyle by having so much media attention on them being rich doing that shit.

Op is questioning why there isn't more positive material being played.

No, they would have got told to do it because it was already being done and already popular. It's because it was selling big so of course anyone from a major label is going to want as much gangster shit as possible if it sells. It's not done to undermine black culture or even to just promote a lifestyle. It's because it sells.

Same would have happened with bands in the 90s when Nirvarna blew up. Suddenly the parameter for what is selling big in guitar bands is completely different to the 80s. Anyone from Seattle or with a grungy sound is going to get pushed in case they can make big money like Nirvana. I'm sure plenty bands were told to sound more like or dress more like grunge. Same with punk before that too.

Also as Magma said. Kendrick Lamar is absolutely huge at the moment and his last album was pretty much a concept album about growing up in Compton with an underlying message by the end of the album about the negative aspects of getting involved in all the gang and drugs shit. He has a huge crossover appeal. He had mainstream success because his music was current sounding, its production is of a standard of a new huge popular record, it's catchy as fuck and it's identifiable. The messages in it exist still within the frame of the story telling that is exciting for those not from his background and identifiable to those who are.

A lot of you guys are acting like it's the radio's fault that people don't want to listen to a load of shit with beats that sound like they're from the 90s with the production quality of being made in someone's bedroom with someone preaching over the top about how to be a good member of society. That's just not what people want. Stop acting like hip hop is some supreme art form that is just being ruined by some white conspiracy.

Besides all that you're forgetting there is a time and place for everything. When you're at the club you want catchy bass heavy energetic music about all of that shallow stuff. Most people (including me) are just gonna want some dumb shit about getting fucked up and sex when they're out in a club where things like that are on likely to be on their mind. I can't imagine anything worse than having a whole night listening to immortal technique ramble on about the Illuminati while I'm busy drinking and socializing. Ever play beer pong to juicy j mixtapes at a party? Definitely a better vibe than if someone just played Aesop Rock the whole time. There is music for every situation and hip hop isn't somehow "above" that.

Then consider that again the average person is likely to always be in that frame of mind and not care about "the art" of it. All pop music is shallow as fuck. Guetta for example has terrible lyrics. Popular rock music isn't going to have the biting sarcastic social commentary that Jello Biafra's lyrics in Dead Kennedys had or the 20 minute epics you'd find on a King Crimson album. Get real people, popular music is in general on a pretty base level. The criminal aspect of popular rap music is just there because it actually reflects a lot of problems within the part of American society those rappers come from and then also sells to those middle class kids who want to hear something exciting and rebellious compared to their everyday lives.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.1 ... us-hip-hop

you obviously didn't read any of the links posted before, and you just agreed with what I said in that people got told to make that stuff because it sells

Also, if it's not done to undermine to black culture as you say, what if it does anyway? That's what OP is saying. As another example, fear sells well in the media, but it doesn't do anyone any good because it distorts the truth. The Sun's being lined up for a breach of journalistic ethics because it ran a headline focusing on mental health patients attacking other people ('1200 people attacked by mental patients') when really people with mental problems are more likely to be victims themselves. BUT IT SELLS SO IT'S OKAY, right?

In that article it basically sounds like record labels pushing what sells and then Too Short claiming himself as a conspiracy theorist before suggesting that he thought it was a conspiracy. That's not proof of anything

Maybe his serious stuff was fucking boring? Maybe it would have meant his albums flopped and didn't make the label money. Maybe the labels were just jumping a trend that gangster or sex oriented rap was selling big at the time. Same way labels signing every prog rock band on the planet went "oh fuck this punk thing is selling loads lets abandon all the bands before and chase that"

Besides, the sun comparison doesn't fucking work. It's not spreading lies to have shallow hip hop on the radio. People want music like that. As I said you want dumb lyrics about sex and catchy hooks for club rap bangers. Gangster rap rose up from the underground because it reflected some sort of shift in music or culture that then could be sold on a worldwide level. Even if it was having a negative effect anyway (which would be on a small level compared to what people think. It's likely to be a reflective form of art rather than the cause) I'd rather that than some overly sensitive nanny state type situation where only positive rap gets played like you are almost hinting at. It's not like suing a newspaper for spreading the wrong message if gang warfare takes place, if rappers are partying and taking drugs, if they are going home with girls from clubs, if they are spending money on silly shit. It's artistic expression even if you don't like it. An art form people like that labels and radio stations can then push as much as they want to do business

You're acting the same way as the sort of person that would ban all horror movies just incase a child sees it.

Come on man just seriously can't you see that people don't want to listen to preachy sit and home and listen to the lyrics on headphones hip hop when they're out in the club, at parties or in their car.

You also ignored the case of Kendrick Lamar's most recent album which is a valid example of how to make a hit in hip hop and not promote negative behavior. Why would he be so popular if it was some stupid conspiracy? Also still you aren't paying attention to the fact that pop music in general isn't some intelligent meaningful movement, so why expect mainstream hip hop to be so?

hugh wrote:

bennyfroobs wrote:

magma wrote: Art reflects society, it doesn't create society.

ur wrong

it cleary reflects and creates

nah, but it does harness the framework of any art form to be highly suggestive in such a way that appeals to it's audience.

were u baked when u wrote that?

its pretty much nonsense