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Really?SunkLo wrote:The point I was making before you turned this into a big Skrillex debate was that Zebra's tutorials cater to people who want to pick up new tricks to experiment with. Not those who just want to recreate basses verbatim from popular songs.
Yeah now search for Skrillex Massive Tutorial and count the resultsSimulant wrote:Really?SunkLo wrote:The point I was making before you turned this into a big Skrillex debate was that Zebra's tutorials cater to people who want to pick up new tricks to experiment with. Not those who just want to recreate basses verbatim from popular songs.
Guess what synth they use for the bass in this video...
Again you miss the point. The point was that you should stop making generalised sweeping statements about things. Not every Massive tutorial is about Skrillex, nor is every Zebra tutorial not about Skrillex. Using Zebra does not make you a better producer, it is merely a synth.SunkLo wrote:Yeah now search for Skrillex Massive Tutorial and count the results
Go ahead and show me where I've said these things. You wouldn't put words in my mouth right? So you should be able to quote me on those things. Go ahead I'll wait.Simulant wrote:Not every Massive tutorial is about Skrillex, nor is every Zebra tutorial not about Skrillex. Using Zebra does not make you a better producer, it is merely a synth.
As it always does. And it may be between the same two people every time...re6ter wrote:This has turned into a shit throwing contest.
Sunk, you are always winning these "arguments"... come on Simulant you are bringing the weakness and just failing terribly, embarrassingly. But Sunk, you are missing some things, very important things, but none of your foils are aware/knowledgeable/experienced/smart enough to point them out.SunkLo wrote:the point you misconstrued and got indignant about as an excuse to try and argue with me? Come better prepared next time.
Yet more opinion, backed up by nothing. You are wrong - Massive just happens to be vastly more popular than Zebra.SunkLo wrote:Go ahead and show me where I've said these things. You wouldn't put words in my mouth right? So you should be able to quote me on those things. Go ahead I'll wait.Simulant wrote:Not every Massive tutorial is about Skrillex, nor is every Zebra tutorial not about Skrillex. Using Zebra does not make you a better producer, it is merely a synth.
Since you're being a bit thick as usual, I'll lay it out in the most deliberate terms possible.
Let's assume there's 2 new producers, P1 and P2. P1 is looking to learn all about synthesis and sound design and is looking for a flexible synth to learn and experiment with. P2 doesn't really wanna do all that shit, he's just looking to recreate what he hears on beatport with the least amount of work.
Assuming both synths are equal (which I don't agree with) in all other capacities, the deciding factor is the tutorial videos available online.
P1 does a youtube search for "Massive tutorials" and "Zebra 2 tutorials" He finds a lot of results for both that cater to sound design, although with Massive, he's gotta sift through a lot of Skrillex/Knife Party type filth bass videos, whereas with Zebra he finds some tutorials that are more centered around learning synthesis and how Zebra works. Oh look even a series of mini videos from the developer on different quirky sound design tricks with Zebra. P1 might be inclined to choose Zebra.
P2 does a search for Zebra and thinks "What the hell is all this shit? There's not even a 'How to Sound Like...' video on the first page of results! Where the name drops at? Let's try Massive... Oh there we go, step by step videos on how to copy other producers. Exactly what I want, this is the synth for me."
Not all Massive users are P2 types and vice versa for Zebra, but judging by tutorials alone, Massive is going to appeal to the paint by numbers type a lot more than Zebra. Which was the initial point I made. You know, the point you misconstrued and got indignant about as an excuse to try and argue with me? Come better prepahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxyoA7WvF7cred next time.
SunkLo wrote:There's plenty of tuts for Zebra. Not as many "How to sound exactly like Skrillex" hand holding sessions, but chances are if you need that you're pretty helpless either way and it won't matter what you get.
Do you actually have anything of value to add? Or are you just a pointless peasant?nowaysj wrote:Sunk, you are always winning these "arguments"... come on Simulant you are bringing the weakness and just failing terribly, embarrassingly. But Sunk, you are missing some things, very important things, but none of your foils are aware/knowledgeable/experienced/smart enough to point them out.SunkLo wrote:the point you misconstrued and got indignant about as an excuse to try and argue with me? Come better prepared next time.
You have a blind spot, and the boogie man is standing RIGHT THERE.
nowaysj wrote:Oh hell no, zebra is DOOOOOOOOPE.
Definitely a pointless peasant.Simulant wrote:Do you actually have anything of value to add? Or are you just a pointless peasant?nowaysj wrote:Sunk, you are always winning these "arguments"... come on Simulant you are bringing the weakness and just failing terribly, embarrassingly. But Sunk, you are missing some things, very important things, but none of your foils are aware/knowledgeable/experienced/smart enough to point them out.SunkLo wrote:the point you misconstrued and got indignant about as an excuse to try and argue with me? Come better prepared next time.
You have a blind spot, and the boogie man is standing RIGHT THERE.
it's funny how he's still trying to argue a circle around the initial point, which was "there's not many paint by numbers 'how to sound like...' tutorials for zebra, which might be a detractor for some people but those people are knobs anyway" Go ahead and point out where that's wrong, or quote where I said what you said I said, like I asked in my previous post. If you're gonna try to defend people who are unwilling to learn and experiment with a synth and only want to make carbon copies of other tracks to make it big, then I don't even need to reply, you're making yourself look retarded just by posting. Sorry if I can only insult you now but you're not giving me much else to do.