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Personally I am not really worried about the debate. I like using hardware and getting away from the computer. For me the magic is in the physicality of it. Maybe its voodoo but it works for me.

LumiNiscent wrote:On a modular system you can plug CV output into an audio input for weird noises for example, not possible on a computer afaik (correct me if im wrong)

You are wrong.

nowaysj wrote:

LumiNiscent wrote:On a modular system you can plug CV output into an audio input for weird noises for example, not possible on a computer afaik (correct me if im wrong)

You are wrong.

What software lets you do that? Reason?

Jeskola Buzz springs to mind, you should be able to do it on there.

Nord Modular too

But you don't get the same experience as having the modules sat in front of you with all the patching options to hand. You still have to think of them more rather than start doing it

i will mostlikely never have the money to buy a real synth or compressor etc but i truly believe it has a dif sound and even the experience to actually pull some real buttons and change sth inside the box you use
but than again some of the drum machines are sampled inside out

BudSpencertron wrote:i will mostlikely never have the money to buy a real synth or compressor etc but i truly believe it has a dif sound and even the experience to actually pull some real buttons and change sth inside the box you use
but than again some of the drum machines are sampled inside out

Alesis 3630 you can get for cheap in terms of compressor. Same with the right synths/drum machines. Volca Beats are cheap, same with something like a Casio RZ-1 or a Boss DR-110.

thanks yeah i know about some cheaper ones but yeah 100 bucks seems fairly legit

i was talking along those lines of the virus and stuff but if those cheaper solutions get the same job done its a no brainer

BudSpencertron wrote:thanks yeah i know about some cheaper ones but yeah 100 bucks seems fairly legit

i was talking along those lines of the virus and stuff but if those cheaper solutions get the same job done its a no brainer

It's about what,you do with it, tbh. That's the point of the article in op. can make tunes with Casio keyboards if you know how to get sounds out of it and what to do with those sounds once you have them.

ah no dont get me wrong i do get the idea i support gtg and all the tal freeware whenever i can but it seems if people have the money they go for the virus etc so i am jsut wondering if theres a noticable difference like this z filter in dnb you can get only with some special analogfilter forgot the name sherman? or sth

i do agree its all about the time and effort you are willing to spend with every little detail of what you have

I think bud would be in trouble in low budget hardware land, his aesthetic is very controlled. Don't let him fool you. To get that kind of control all in hardware is very expensive, and then won't be of that much quality. You have to accept some serious fidelity/cleanliness issues if you go into hardware at any level other than near the highest.

The ability to just compress and eq everything in software blows hardware setups out of the water. Imo, it is hard to go back to budget hardware. It is fun, and I do it. But that mush is a hard pill to swallow.

BudSpencertron wrote:ah no dont get me wrong i do get the idea i support gtg and all the tal freeware whenever i can but it seems if people have the money they go for the virus etc so i am jsut wondering if theres a noticable difference like this z filter in dnb you can get only with some special analogfilter forgot the name sherman? or sth

i do agree its all about the time and effort you are willing to spend with every little detail of what you have

The zplane on emus has yet to be emulated properly imo, viruses well they have a unique workflow in spite of being VA, same way I'm with my Micron vs say Massive making similar patches. A Sherman filterbank is always a wise investment I want one badly.

:3 now i sound like an asshole agian lol
but honestly dont most producers use the analog synths as a rather dry signal anyways? i mean i might be wrong but thats what i get out of all those videos sample analog and work with it in digital land so maybe the cheaper ones and the pricey ones get closer than like 10 years ago? thats just my feeling though i might be totally wrong

BudSpencertron wrote::3 now i sound like an asshole agian lol
but honestly dont most producers use the analog synths as a rather dry signal anyways? i mean i might be wrong but thats what i get out of all those videos sample analog and work with it in digital land so maybe the cheaper ones and the pricey ones get closer than like 10 years ago? thats just my feeling though i might be totally wrong

Yea I never get that, even my VA shit run through tubes or tape.

deadly habit wrote: The zplane on emus has yet to be emulated properly imo

ah ok emus

deadly habit wrote: Yea I never get that, even my VA shit run through tubes or tape.

sorry i am not familiar with va but anyways tube and tape at the end or like inbefore reverb,delay those long tail stuff and maybe limiter if needed

virtual analog? haha was my only idea cause i heard virus is a vst too

deadly habit wrote:The zplane on emus has yet to be emulated properly imo,

Weird thing is, all IIR filters are designed on the Z plane. So pretty much any filter apart from linear phase is a Z plane filter.

fragments wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I've always found it odd that a forum mainly inhabited by members who scoff at materialism have such a hard-on for new, big expensive boxes with buttons and big flickering lights that don't really do a whole lot they can't already do with their DAW. The music making/talking-about-and-lusting-over-gear ratio seems rather off.

Yea. But I don't like using the mouse and MIDI controllers, for the most part, bore me.

I mean gear aquisition in the broader sense, it could also be the latest convoluted synth VST with a million dropdown menus that you'll never use. Workflow is workflow and if working with a particular set of hardware gear gets you better results than anything else, you should use that. But when does it end? People then aquire this new gear, make 2 or 3 half tunes with it and they're already bidding on another set of gear.

Now I take no stances on consumerism either way since... well, I'm not big on value judgements and not very firm on morality any way. I'm not one to dictate how people should be happy and I see the subjective appeal in consumerism, but I just find it curious that a forum with a very prevailing anti-consumerist culture houses a subforum supposedly dedicated to 'production' where most of the talk centered around consumerist exploits.

It's no different from the way vinyl is fetishized here, however. But whatever.

Yeah it's weird i also don't understand the people that can blab on for days about all this gear and all these techniques but never actually make any music or put the music they do make out anywhere. Each to their own i guess but seems strange to me.