wolf89 wrote:I can see that a little but really I still see noise music as being something with more to it than accumulation of noises into something that makes sense. Your idea of words arranged outside of a conventional narrative structure in a way that the associations build to create a response in the reader would be more like the arrangement of recognizable sounds until they made a composed piece of music. For example hearing an extractor fan, a fridge, a ketttle etc. placed one after the other before switching to other sounds with some degree of purpose to it. It's more comparable to a piece Musique concrète that was composed with the intention that the associations with the sounds are meant to be focused on
Tbh thats close to my pov when producing
Just having to sequence something to get from what I Iike about 'a' to get to what I like about 'b'. I'm the one sayin it's music lol.
Agent 47 wrote:its just like ooo look at me i dont need rhythm and melodies, the fundamentals of what us humans like in moosiks
what do you consider pretentious within music, i really wanna know lol ??
No Agent that's you projecting that image on there. I'm pretty sure Kevin Drumm has never thought that when writing music. He just makes what he wants to.
Pretentious music would be music that is done solely for the purpose of appearing intelligent as an image. Writing abstract music or noise because you enjoy it isn't pretentious. Even with experimental music it's often not pretentious. Spend enough time listening to John Cage talk about music or read anything he has written and it's clear he does what he does due to a love of and fascination with sound and music in general. There can be a sense of joyous wonder to experimentation in music that I think many people miss most of the time. The association that it's people trying to elevate themselves to being elite is something damaging and that I can't understand when people talk about their perception of experimental music. Sure there are those out there who treat it that way who do it but the actual idea of experimental music really should make sense to anyone interested in music. If you love music why don't you want to explore every possibility you can identify within it or explore every way of thinking about it?
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m8son wrote:i'm sure there is some noise music i would like but tbh i really don't see the appeal it's just noise lol
and as if there are producers of it like it involves skill lol
Yeah sure I'm sure you're just as good at Max/msp as John Wiese is...
Also there is bad noise music and good noise music. It's not a matter of simply making a load of random noises. Saying there's no skill in making noise music is like saying that copying a youtube tutorial to make a skrillex bassline immediately makes you good at producing dubstep
Music can't be pretentious. It's people who can be pretentious and/or choose to assign a given piece of music that tag of pretentiousness. Just because something seems chin-strokey or undanceable to doesn't make it pretentious.
Both music and prose have structure, rhythm and cadence. Music is more freeform in that any sound can be used to form part of a composition whereas prose relies on stringing together specific words (although if you're multilingual your degrees of freedom in choice of words broadens exponentially).
That Kevin Drumm track had quite a few frequencies that hurt my ears though.
wolf89 wrote:Yeah sure I'm sure you're just as good at Max/msp as John Wiese is...
whats that got to do with anything? lol
and who is john wiese
You were claiming it involved no skill so I named someone who took an overly technical approach to writing noise using Max/msp on the grounds that you couldn't do it.
You also have ignored the fact that I said there is good and bad noise music so the "anyone can make it" argument wouldn't even stand up anyway as being able to make something that resembles a certain genre ignores the fact that it does still take talent to make something that's at all interesting to listen to.
No don't watch that it's largely shite. It'll make you think of noise like Agent does. Full of hipster waffle and not much actual good talk on noise music or that many important noise artists bar Smegma and Yellow Swans.
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wolf89 wrote:No don't watch that it's largely shite
Right, so after nearly three page of telling people they're plebs for being narrow minded about music, you've unequivocally stated that the above example is shite.
Not really, it's a bad documentary. It's full largely of pretentious rambling rather than anyone who is that interesting regarding noise music being involved.
Pretention means that in the reception or the first encounter- you're dependent on peoples ability to imagine and associate as already mentioned. So in that sence music can definitely be pretentious- but as a term it's not exclusively degrading either, but can just be technical. It's fair to say that depending on peoples imagination and not handing it out can be construed as being convoluted instead of inviting.
wolf89 wrote:No don't watch that it's largely shite
Right, so after nearly three page of telling people they're plebs for being narrow minded about music, you've unequivocally stated that the above example is shite.
Yeah I forgot to address that. I wasn't saying people are plebs at all I was defending the music and if anything saying it's not fucking elitist. It's them being objectionable and exclusionary in their taste. I'm saying it's music that can express emotions like all other music does and that simply writing it off based on its abstract nature or your own associations you have that aren't the fault of the music itself is illogical. If anything they are trying to claim I'm an idiot by using silly phrases like "brostep without drums" or claiming that the music's purpose is to feel smug.
The problem isn't plebeian taste in music it's narrow mindedness or the constant worrying over image instead of simply listening to it for what it is.
The documentary then undermines what I'm saying because it goes off into hipsters wanking about what they do instead of trying to create an informative watch for those who want to learn more about the music. Whoever made it seems to think the image of it and a sense of superiority is required in noise music which isn't remotely the case.
I'm with wolf in that he's talking about behaviour and how it can get in the way of listening, despite the fact that music is just here to be had as an experience.
It's a sign of babylon the measures people will take to stay away from music they might like.
It's fucking insane.
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do you listen to it cus its interesting or cus u like it?
i get the intrigue of it
but i think i just find it hard to belive that anyone gets home and think 'aaahh il just have a sit down and wack on some noise'... like you would a normal album
& i think to pretend to like it in that way is pretentious
I think there is some misunderstanding of what noise is. Like drone, it doesn't have to be pure sonic textures, rhythm and noise aren't separate entities, it ain't scraping feedback forever.
