Reasons why a UKIP vote is a good vote

[dickman69]

the majority of Bulgarians and Romanians aren't "compotent" workers.

we should be limiting migration because they are seen as "harder workers"

lol

[jaydot]

the majority of Bulgarians and Romanians aren't "compotent" workers.

we should be limiting migration because they are seen as "harder workers"

lol

I'm missing the point completely here. Idontgeddit.

[dickman69]

theyre seen as hard workers, they have all the motivation to be hard workers, i have no facts/figures to prove theyre not hard workers

but theyre not

[jaydot]

theyre seen as hard workers, they have all the motivation to be hard workers, i have no facts/figures to prove theyre not hard workers

but theyre not

Inverted commas?

[wub]

Competition is so fierce from skilled Brits/migrants for entry level blue collar jobs that they have no job, universities are charging them 9k a year to study, college isn't a guaranteed pathway into a job, and so they turn to crime etc as the cloud of disillusionment casts down upon them, when we should be limiting migration because they are seen as "harder workers", giving the working classes a better shot at things and stop labelling them as chavs, scum etc. Life in the UK is fucking grim as a teenager right now,

[kaili]

dude jaydot dont dare say anything bad about immigrants on dsf trust me u get merked by every1

[faultier]

wow, best jaydot thread ever?

seriously tho, have you ever wondered whether it was possible "immigrants" are being used as a scapegoat by governments all over the western world?

and for bonus points: was it the immigrants that dismantled the british welfare state and jobs opportunities in UK over the last 30 years or was it thatcher et al?

[nowaysj]

Jdot, I'm with you. England is not a country anymore, it is a state. You have lost autonomy, and ultimately control over the ground you stand on. You cannot have a discussion with these posters as they've consumed the propaganda, but they'll never see it because they think they are worldly, educated and maintain a broad perspective. Their best response when you attempt to discuss tax policy will be, 'that's racist'. They're pavlovian, and you've just rung the bell.

BUT

I'm pretty sure Ukip is a scam, dude, same old shit from the same old people.

[rickyarbino]

seriously tho, have you ever wondered whether it was possible "immigrants" are being used as a scapegoat by governments all over the western world?

Definitely, before Immigrants it was Blacks.
Before that the ALL had jews.
Don't forget rival neighbors and sports.

[jaydot]

I'm still waiting for Phigure's comeback.

And to answer your "bonus question" df, that was then, this is now. Think how many immigrants have come into the country post-Thatcher. And asylum seekers, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't they, by law, go to the nearest safe country. (that not being the UK)

[jaydot]

dude jaydot dont dare say anything bad about immigrants on dsf trust me u get merked by every1

You'd think they'd reply with something original instead of left-leaning "that's racist" bullcrap.

[rickyarbino]

I'm still waiting for Phigure's comeback.

Is this a fucking game to you? You're so fucking whack man.

[faultier]

that was then, this is now

ever heard of causality? interesting concept really

[jaydot]

I'm still waiting for Phigure's comeback.

Is this a fucking game to you? You're so fucking whack man.

Why are you getting so irate?

[NickUndercover]

Please JDot bring up some different issues so we can complete the bingo

[wub]

And asylum seekers, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't they, by law, go to the nearest safe country. (that not being the UK)

Really? Which law is that then? If you mean the Asylum Seekers (Return to Nearest Safe Country) Bill, that was withdrawn from discussion. Incidentally, it was sponsored by Philip Hollobone, Tory MP for Kettering.

Mr Hollobone is also trying to bring back both National Service and Capital Punishment. You and him should go for a pint sometime.

[jaydot]

And asylum seekers, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't they, by law, go to the nearest safe country. (that not being the UK)

Really? Which law is that then? If you mean the Asylum Seekers (Return to Nearest Safe Country) Bill, that was withdrawn from discussion. Incidentally, it was sponsored by Philip Hollobone, Tory MP for Kettering.

Mr Hollobone is also trying to bring back both National Service and Capital Punishment. You and him should go for a pint sometime.

Yeah sounds like a geezer

[Phigure]

I'm still waiting for Phigure's comeback.

And to answer your "bonus question" df, that was then, this is now. Think how many immigrants have come into the country post-Thatcher. And asylum seekers, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't they, by law, go to the nearest safe country. (that not being the UK)

its hardly a discussion since you only seem to base your arguments off of "IDK the facts but.." or "it's fundamentally wrong (ie, because i said so)", responding to an actual statistic posted by someone else with "oh i bet that figure is wrong", or just calling someone a geezer like above. youre a waste of time



but since u want me so bad

im not very familiar with the bedroom tax since i dont live in the UK so i cant comment on it much but from the way you whine about it sounds exactly like all the anecdotal claims of people who whine about the affordable care act in the US and say its ruining them, but i dont necessarily advocate for it either

First refusal on social housing for British people. Good thing, the state shouldn't be obligated to house people who have arrived in the country and weren't born in, ahead of Brits. it's fundamentally wrong.

uh why? can you give me an actual reason that isn't just xenophobia or thinly veiled racism? from what nic says about 4.2% it sounds like its just an issue thats being pitched to people like you in order to scapegoat minorities/immigrants

So now, under UKIP, where before Mr Bloggs was disenfranchised and marginilised with lack of social housing, lack of jobs, tax on property and minimum wage, etc etc he sees a brighter future, more so than New Labour or the current government. 'appy days!

yes, so lets marginalize immigrants instead! why not an even playing field for all, regardless of the arbitrary fact of where someone was born?

as for eliminating tax on minimum wage, it's not an entirely god awful policy, but why should the government effectively subsidize wages instead of employers just paying their workers a wage they can live off? just raise the minimum wage ffs

[wub]

1.) Leaving the EU: We'd still continue free trade with our European counterparts but not have EU obligations, that means no mass immigration from countries like Romania and Bulgaria, and that's got to be a good thing.

This works both ways, and TBH from my own personal point of view I quite like working in Spain and not having a mountain of paperwork to do so.

3.) No votes for prisoners: They should lose their right to vote as soon as they're incarcerated

Prison is as much about rehabilitation as it is about punishment, stripping off rights like this won't help. Some heinous crimes, fair enough. A multiple time child rapist serving life maybe shouldn't be allowed to vote. But someone doing 12 months for a less serious offence doesn't fall into the same category. Applying a blanket ban of 'No Votes For Prisoners' is just a lazy way of papering over the cracks.

4.) No cuts to frontline policing: Good thing, yes?

Overall crime in UK & Wales fell by 10% in 2013, despite the fact that in Jan 2013 the total number of police was at it's lowest for 11yrs. So your statement doesn't make much sense as we have the figures to show that fewer police officers doesn't necessarily mean more crime.

5.) No benefits or private health insurance to immigrants for five years: As their manifesto points out they must "pay into before they take out, of the pot

Private Health Insurance you have to pay into before you get anything back, that applies to everyone regardless of whether they're an immigrant or not.

6.) Priority of social housing given to British people: YES! Finally! What I've been saying for nigh on ten years. I don't know how this will work (I read it on aleaflet through my door) but blue collar British workers, single parents, Brits on benefits (could be JSA, ESA, DLA) get first refusal on soial housing if their parents or grandparents were born in the area. As I say I'm not sure how they will implement it but hats off if they do, I don't know how many of you have applied for council housing or have any knowledge of the system but the wait is ridiculous and I know Manchester for one is regenerating areas only to put immigrants in the new houses they build.

Under the above, that means I'd only be eligible for social housing if I moved back to where my parents lived. This would mean a rapid depopulation of some of the larger cities (London, for example) as people have to effectively go home to get social housing.

8.) Make cuts to foreing aid that are "real and rigorous", another thing I've been wondering a while, why do we let our British people freeze and starve on the streets when we're giving millions if not billions in foreign aid?

Total global foreign aid (that's all countries, not just us) is now $134.8bn. UK total spend on foreign aid as of 2013 budget was 0.7% of gross national income. So that's a person on an income of £25,000 paying £5,465 in tax, of which £52 would go to the overseas aid budget a year. The UK is not cutting it's own throat so that people in other countries can be given bags of rice.

2.) Scrapping of Bedroom Tax: Which is essentially a Robin Hood Tax.

7.) No tax on the minimum wage.

I have no issue with these two points.

[rickyarbino]

I'm still waiting for Phigure's comeback.

Is this a fucking game to you? You're so fucking whack man.

Why are you getting so irate?

You speak as if real people aren't being affected by politics. Like it's just you and your mates in candyland.