butter_man wrote:Imagine if it wasn't the perception of reality changing by the ingestion of the drug, but the changing to a whole other reality. like, different potentials, other parralell universes, but with different rules, and outcomes, and ....everything.
well, heroin holds the key to the changing to a very particularly beautifull reality. one where events happen at a different speed. observation here is made on levels that no other reality can, things have there own poetry, every moment tied to the next delicately. like a ballet through existence.
now Imagine everyday life the hussle for the bus the tinny noise of a builders radio grimey walls from the car fumes noxious at the back of your throat. the grimaces as those you walk past, rats in the own tunnel of self-dissatisfaction barge and bussle as you nurse a headache of woe and anxiety as everything you have to worry about jossles in your head.
once youve tasted the poetry its gonna be very hard for you to want to return to the ugly. especially as a recent submergence will show it more severe by comparison alone.
You might want to stay in there, but you'll be alone. Friends will leave, family will too. and this lonelinessx may force you to escape that reality for a normal constructivism.
be warned though, it'll never be the same. the mere experience alone is enough to let you know the grass can be greener. And once youve seen it once you'll always have the comparison to compare the shiteness of your own reality to.
beauty can be seen in a sober reality though. you just need to train yourself to experience.
once you do that you don't need heoin. you are.
Thats a pretty good way to look at all mind altering substances tbh.. even stuff like chocolate. Anything that has that "feel good" factor. I guess healthy things would fit the example as well, if it makes you feel good its just a different perception of reality.. or not a different perception but you experience it different because of different chemical reactions in the brain. I think if its a small change and you acknowledge its a temporary small change I guess you can control it.. its why most people work 9/5 and "live for the weekend" where they can change their reality. The danger is when that reality is too good and its all you want all the time... thats when addiction kicks in and you don't give a fuck about anything else.
Doug Stanhope made a joke about people saying his drinking is a problem and he said that he takes all the mundane shit that normal people do sober, throw some drink on it, and its infinitely better. "I don't have a problem, I have a solution".
It's sorta true, if you're not entirely happy with your mundane sober life and you alter it with whatever chemicals and have that 'hit' of a different perception of reality.. it'd be rather attractive to carry on.
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:36 am
by Muncey
Jhonny2x4 wrote:I could understand when you have little left to live for, like when you get so old that you are contemplating suicide, then sure, go for it; I am a proud advocate for legalizing suicide (when you want to go, you want to go). However, if I have shit I'm working towards, no.
Thats a weird standpoint tbh, you have something to work towards so you wouldn't do that shit but someone who 'feels' like they have nothing left, go for it? Would you not wanna try convince them they have something to work towards or give them something to work towards instead of just going "yeah fuck it you feel like you've got nothing now.. destroy your remaining life"?
I get what you mean though, if I was diagnosed terminally ill I'd go on a right mad one trying everything. But suicide is a mental issue that can often be overcome, its not really a true reflection of "real doom". Everybody has a low point in their life, saying go for some heroin if you want is a cheap give up.. when they could potentially turn it around and "have something to work towards".
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:27 am
by Phigure
Jhonny2x4 wrote:I am a proud advocate for legalizing suicide (when you want to go, you want to go).
u know depression is a treatable condition right?
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:59 am
by mason666
I think non-depressives are the one with a condition tbh
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:18 am
by leyenda
Muncey wrote:I know people who "apparently" cut coke with a bit of heroin.. seen people do it and they felt light headed, sick and really mellow.. proper zoned out. Don't really see the point in cutting it with heroin tbh so probably bullshit but yeah, line of coke proper zoned them out for ages.
Don't even know if its chemically possible to mix the two?
When you whack em in the same needle it's called speedballing and it's a fucking stupid idea as there's a very high chance of ODing. It's what killed Tim Buckley and Phillip Seymour Hoffman among others
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:15 am
by DiegoSapiens
yeah frisco speedball is much better
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:56 pm
by bonk
sigbowls wrote:Would you ever do 30 hits of acid? I knew someone that did that oncw
I'm sure that you and those 4 million other people definitely knew the guy who did it...
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:30 pm
by lovelydivot
I would never mess with needles.
I did however, go out to the edge…
and I was there for about 8 months…
got really sick - saw lots of shit
- including my entire life pivoting on that edge...
- and decided to pull back.
right as I did - a friend died and 2 went to jail…
I packed up my stuff and quietly left town.
I'm haunted by the multitudinous beauty of what I saw…
But I would never go back - to that.
I am now, in the best place I have ever been before - mentally
and yet - the world is a complete broken piece of shit.
So, some part of myself did catch that pivot…
Either - just enough to save myself…
or not enough to make it work.
It's a well known fact that heroin is much less likely to cause psychosis
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:16 pm
by nobody
junkies are probs less tedious to socialise with than pot heads tbh
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:41 pm
by CreamLord
Plus they're more likely to blow you
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:05 pm
by lovelydivot
Oh - I know for a fact that pot is much scarier in a psychosis kinda way…
I used to get the shakes...
Opiates have a clean high - if that makes any kind of sense…
and that's part of the seduction…you actually feel good on that shit…
Weed highs are directly correlated to bud quality and that's connected to price.
I'm too poor to have a "good weed" habit.
lol - good weed
I'm about to go weed the flowerbeds…
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:09 pm
by lovelydivot
yeeet yeeeaaaa - come deal with me poppie - I've got 3 acres here…
you sedem - sedem sedem sedem sedem hoi...
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:33 pm
by lovelydivot
Don't get me wrong….
I've messed with a lot of substances...
and opiates were the only one that threatened to fuck my shit up for good…
They are seriously addictive.
I don't know about crack - never tried it…or meth
freebasing in general - but,
those kids seem disastrously happy to be on that shit.
DMT might be the only thing I'd try
- on the very remote chance that I'd ever get that deep again.
Im addicted to those new butter pecan lattes from Dunkin Donut.
They're not even high quality…they are like - powdered coffee mixes.
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:13 pm
by bonk
nobody wrote:junkies are probs less tedious to socialise with than pot heads tbh
Couldn't be further from the truth.
Junkies only care about junk. They wouldn't even socialise with you if they suspected that you might hinder their chances of acquiring junk, even if that's only because they don't think you'll give them junk or money to buy junk.
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:22 pm
by mks
Junkies are always looking for the next fix. They are tedious as fuck and greasy as fuck.
I lived in a city with a really bad heroin problem and at one of my jobs, I had to deal with junkies every day.
Re: Would you ever try heroin?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:36 pm
by fiveone
i'm actually stunned at the amount of people who voted yes.
"yes, i would try heroin in the future"
you're going to be fucking with a HIGHLY addictive substance that could derail your life. what, do people think they won't be turking for more if you smoke it instead of injecting? lol
