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Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:05 pm
by DJoe
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There remains a persistent widespread attempt to render the movement in Baltimore into something morally digestible for white audiences
That is, to translate it into something that can be articulated in white terms (or else condemn it)
(I'm using "white" here as both as a marker of white supremacy and a placeholder for a putatively "universal" or "neutral" perspective)
This is the case whether the perspective is a liberal one ("we need to invest in communities!") a Marxist one ("the workers have risen!")
Or indeed an anarchist one ("smash the state!") and/ or a post-political one ("a movement without demands!")
The worry is that in these acts of appropriation, the specificity of anti-black oppression and the resistance to that oppression is obscured
I get the desire to do this, in a context where Baltimore is dismissed as "violent" and Gray's death swept aside cos of "criminality"
But let's not forget that these terms - "non-violence" and "innocence" - are set and defined by whiteness
Like what does it mean to publish Freddie Gray's rap sheet? Is it something to disavow? Or does it actually tell us something important?
Specifically what does it tell us about a state that classifies 1/3 of black males inhabitants as "criminal"?




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Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:15 pm
by DrGatineau
dansci wrote:It's a societal problem that can only be solved by the people in the ghetto.
No chance in hell. It would only ever be solved from the outside. The outside has ignored these communities since forever and this is the result

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:36 pm
by ehbes
mason666 wrote:
ehbes wrote:tired of seeing stuffy white people cover this like they understand the struggle of minorities. I get so enraged when they say shit like "They should just peacefully demonstrate like MLK" :a:
Looòooooooooooooooool and you do understand the struggle?
did I ever say I did? no, and nor do I claim to. Read what I actually say and not that you want me to say

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:41 pm
by soronery
ehbes wrote:
mason666 wrote:
ehbes wrote:tired of seeing stuffy white people cover this like they understand the struggle of minorities. I get so enraged when they say shit like "They should just peacefully demonstrate like MLK" :a:
Looòooooooooooooooool and you do understand the struggle?
did I ever say I did? no, and nor do I claim to. Read what I actually say and not that you want me to say
Someone's triggered...

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:43 pm
by ehbes
yeah, im part of the itchy trigga finga niqqa's.

OGLemon wrote:For a social revolution to be successful it must be global and popular.
found the Trot! :)

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:49 pm
by mason666
lol yh but your speaking as if you understand their struggle, in fact most of the posts in this thread are people 'understanding the struggle' from their throne of white middle class land

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:51 pm
by ehbes
No one is say they understand their struggle, the post in this thread are looking at the causes and the systemic issues.

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:53 pm
by mason666
my point exactly

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:58 pm
by ehbes
So in your mind I have to be a poor black person before I can look at the causes and effects? That makes absolutely 0 sense

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:59 pm
by mason666
yep

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:02 pm
by mason666
u made the point in the first place

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:05 pm
by ehbes
You are functionally retarded

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm
by ehbes
By that logic, you should have to be a poor immigrant to Britain before you can vote to kick yourself out

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm
by wilson
ehbes wrote:So in your mind I have to be a poor black person before I can look at the causes and effects?
mason666 wrote:yep
What the shitting fuck :lol: :lol:

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:08 pm
by mason666
ehbes wrote:You are functionally retarded
at least im not poor and in baltimore

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:11 pm
by ultraspatial
the answer is guns imho. give people a proper chance to defend themselves

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:13 pm
by ehbes
It's funny how the right to bear arms only applies to white people who like to hunt.

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:07 pm
by wilson

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:56 pm
by Phigure
ultraspatial wrote:the answer is guns imho. give people a proper chance to defend themselves
yes, great idea, lets stop the systematic murder of unarmed black men by giving police yet another justification to shoot

Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:57 pm
by orangeluva56
so are we gonna have riots every 5-6 months now or what