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Tomity wrote:I dont know what to make of this. Instrumental sounds pretty good but the vocals are a bit too smooth for my liking

sounds like boyband/dubstep vivisection (IMO).

Pinch tracks with Juakali are wicked I reckon, same for Get Up (can't remember the singers name...), but generally I liked most of Underwater Dancehall.

Also, Fever by Vaccine has some some female vocals, on a dark tip!

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Generally, its been said above, but some vocals can be great, others can be shit. People just have to have a reason to use them. If they are just chucked on for effect, then its pointless.

Pinch tracks with Juakali are wicked I reckon, same for Get Up (can't remember the singers name...), but generally I liked most of Underwater Dancehall.

just could not get into it at all

and i loved the 12"s on tectonic & mu as well as his remixes of atk12 & monkey steak

seeing as you said its good ill give it another go:)

and you still need to get an album out got everything youve done on vinyl now

Commercialism = record labels telling artists what to write (i.e. the lastest fad/the latest artist they haven't got on their roster) or they won't release it = bad for everyone.

Accessible vocal tracks always lead to this, but there's enough gnarley dubstep to keep the mainstream properly away.

Piston wrote: and you still need to get an album out got everything youve done on vinyl now

if Grav does an album maybe he could do some vocals on it haha MC Gravious on the buttons! maybe you could give Buffalo a run for his money

i've still got that posh rap on cd somewhere lol seem to remember there was meant to be a rabbi effort as well

wasn't into juakali vocals either, but couple of the tracks i'd already heavily listened to as instrumentals in that mah mix. So just sounded bit werid once heard vocals over them.

As long as it's well integrated I have no problem with it, like in Skream & Plastician's remix of Some Way Through This.

I think there's nothing wrong with vocals as long as they're interesting & well placed. Singing or spitting.

MC's can be cool, but they have to back off the tracks a bit especially live - D&B nights where it sounds more like a rhyming dictionary book club reading than a dance anyone? No thanks.

When an MC doesn't try to take over a tune & says something interesting it totally MAKES a tune a killer IMO.

pacman wrote:so basically you fear that dubstep will become mainstream? so what? mainstream doesn't always equals bad music. and it is opportunity to bring more people to the scene. more money = more exposure = more people. and if mainstream isn't what suits you there is alway underground. i mean do what you like and feel. music has no limitations. if you feel like adding vocals do it. if not don't. simple as that. there is no real and fake music. people who think like that are assholes with no life.

just my 2 cents

Couldn't have said it better myself.

YES TO FEMALE VOCALS

YES to good music with or w/o vocals.
NO to thinking about it so much.

http://www.myspace.com/surfacetensionrecordings

Check out the first tune in the player, FIRE.

struggle wrote:YES to good music with or w/o vocals.
NO to thinking about it so much.

Exactly, dunno what all the fuss is about.

dont mind vocals in a tune, if it calls for it. mcing im not a massive fan of but i have heard some good stuff that i havent minded.

one thing i noticed at a recent gig was an mc calling for a reload almost every song. Got old pretty quick!

XOR wrote:Commercialism = record labels telling artists what to write (i.e. the lastest fad/the latest artist they haven't got on their roster) or they won't release it = bad for everyone.

I'm constantly being told that my music is too musical! Or that a tune sounds "progressive" cos its got music in it not just a bassline! Although I do write (progressive) wobble I can understand where the 'wobble haters' are coming from as it would be fucking tragic if it became the norm for the more accessible labels (ie. those that actually give u the time of day not your standard big label with full schedules for the next 5 yrs) to reject the sort of innovative minimal music that started the scene bcos it doesn't sell as well as slowed down jumpup drum n bass. Then we'd have to start another genre all over again!!!

The problem is that u can't always tell whats gonna sell well bcos of what style it is - ok deep sells less than jumpup but hows an artist ever going to become one of those deep artists that defies the trend and makes it bigtime (and without being hated!) if their label is constantly steering them off course or making them feel that deep & meaningful tune that tooks weeks of hard labour 2 perfect is inferior to something written in 5 minutes bcos it doesn't shift as many units.

I think dubstep is crying out for female vocalists and more of them would be a great thing despite the innevitable cheese fest BUT the problem is finding good vocalists. I don't record vocals in my own studio due to the "X-Factor" syndrome - its well embarrasing when someone a) can't sing in tune but thinks they can b) can't write lyrics but think they can!
I just hope we don't get to a situation in a few years time where u need to wobble AND have a (cheesy) female vocalist in your tune to be taken seriously!!!

Honestly stop stroking/cry wanking over stupid shit, stop putting things in boxes/generalising and just try to make some decent tunes you utter utter goobers.

And

Mr. Lager feat Alys Blaze = my new favourite tune.

spender wrote: that killer Kode 9 and MF Doom tune.

WHAT?? Where can I hear this?

I've been getting more and more into vocals these days, I think what people are saying about live mcs at dubstep nights is true, they just shout random shit that means nothing and adds nothing to the tune, and usually when you're listening out for your favourite bit in the track!

But yeah, those tunes by Cotti with Doctor are really good, same with the more grimey tunes like that Splurt remix by Skream, that's how it should be done I reckon.

Kode 9 and MF Doom!? Say whaa!? Where is this shit? And on the note of more vocal tunes. I think there's just the right amount of them atm - it's always good when a nice vocal tune comes out and I think too many will just kill 'em and make them nothing special

depends on the tune/producer

i hope joker produces some exclusives for both grime & usa mcs personally. almost every beat he makes sounds like future rap (to me at least)

oneliam wrote:Kode 9 and MF Doom!? Say whaa!? Where is this shit?

it's actually a rmx of a dabrye tune called air. came out a while ago, but still on his ms player...
www.myspace.com/kode9

female vocals have worked well in what i have heard, MC'ing not so much. although im sure i could really like both if they were done properly.