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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:50 pm
by spiro
upreal wrote:I can recall that Vex'd - Bombardment of Saturn, one of the biggest dubstep tunes out there for me, is actually about 175 bpm in tempo.
dont know the tempo on this one . . . but its way slower than 175 . . .
still this should be a good point on not being a fascist on the tempo!
upreal remember this as fast probably because of the energy . . .
so tempo to most listeners [those not counting the bpm, just dancing and having fun] is a whole different thing - don´t limit your selves!
and for that headnodshit that make you wanna bounce, it didn´t start out at 140 bpm . . . or 70 bpm . . .
bigup every one making bass and drums no matter tempo, style or definitions . . . as long s its funky!
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:55 pm
by corpsey
170bpm gets a bad rap these days.
Admittedly I think DNB is too fast nowadays but there is things you can achieve at that speed which you can't at 140- and vice versa obv.
I just think the things that made dubstep so good in the first place where connected to its tempo, its space...
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:07 pm
by spiro
Corpsey wrote:I just think the things that made dubstep so good in the first place where connected to its tempo, its space...
cant agree more . . .
but to me the 83 electro sound had some of the same feeling of space as some of the new dubstep tunes, so it cant be just the tempo!
thats why we need the variation!
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:11 pm
by upreal
Actually If I hadn't run Bombardment of Saturn through virtual dj to see the speed I would have thought it was actually slower in bpm than most of the rest of dubstep. However, the program clearly indicates that the song is 176 bpm. I/it might be wrong though.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:13 pm
by upreal
Also, there is the very opposite extreme. Anstam - Brom 1 or Tes La Rok - Mental Blcok are both approximately 104-105 bpm. Again, as spiro has suggested, this should be taken as a lesson that the tempo is not really that much of a deal as long as the tune is proper enough. It probably just makes it harder to mix.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:30 pm
by spiro
watch them programs counting the bpm . . .
don´t trust them if they tell you bombardement of saturn is 176 . . .
think its quite close to 140/70 . . .
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:37 pm
by frodo
UFO over easy wrote:dubstep at dnb tempo would be dnb.
Of course!
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:41 pm
by spooKs
upreal wrote:Actually If I hadn't run Bombardment of Saturn through virtual dj to see the speed I would have thought it was actually slower in bpm than most of the rest of dubstep. However, the program clearly indicates that the song is 176 bpm. I/it might be wrong though.
upreal wrote:Also, there is the very opposite extreme. Anstam - Brom 1 or Tes La Rok - Mental Blcok are both approximately 104-105 bpm. Again, as spiro has suggested, this should be taken as a lesson that the tempo is not really that much of a deal as long as the tune is proper enough. It probably just makes it harder to mix.
Definitely wrong - perhaps if you stop relying on dodgy software you'll be able to discern the tempo just by use of your ears
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:01 pm
by COURT
Buy DJ FRESH's new tune: CHAINSAW
HUGE D.Step break in it.
Perfect for switching to dubstep in your dnb sets, or vica verca.
I think it's at chemical ...........i think..
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:56 pm
by utter gutter
INSTRA:MENTAL write all their DnB'ish tracks at 170.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:39 pm
by elementalism
What the fuck?
Dubstep is 135-145, I'm sorry but this thread is waste. DnB is DnB, Dubstep is Dubstep, how difficult is it to understand? It's unnecessary to categorise music, but I understand the convenience and I'm all for it. Why the fuck would anyone wanna try to get any deeper?
Amit does not make dubstep. He makes DnB. DnB predates Dubstep, so why try and claim that the big brother is imitating the little brother? Amit can make a tune at 140 and it'll be dubstep. His 175 stuff is DnB.
How hard is it?
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:45 pm
by hugh
Elementalism wrote:What the fuck?
Dubstep is 135-145, I'm sorry but this thread is waste. DnB is DnB, Dubstep is Dubstep, how difficult is it to understand? It's unnecessary to categorise music, but I understand the convenience and I'm all for it. Why the fuck would anyone wanna try to get any deeper?
Amit does not make dubstep. He makes DnB. DnB predates Dubstep, so why try and claim that the big brother is imitating the little brother? Amit can make a tune at 140 and it'll be dubstep. His 175 stuff is DnB.
How hard is it?
amen
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:05 pm
by abZ
Court wrote:Buy DJ FRESH's new tune: CHAINSAW
HUGE D.Step break in it.
Perfect for switching to dubstep in your dnb sets, or vica verca.
I think it's at chemical ...........i think..
This tune same thing.
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=39482
Because of this one I am going to break out some 170+ for a half and half set.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:31 pm
by seckle
Corpsey wrote:the things that made dubstep so good in the first place where connected to its tempo, its space...
spot on. at 140 there's a lot more you can experiment with in terms of drum patterns, where the snares are falling, hi hats, etc.
an open canvas.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:40 pm
by abZ
seckle wrote:Corpsey wrote:the things that made dubstep so good in the first place where connected to its tempo, its space...
spot on. at 140 there's a lot more you can experiment with in terms of drum patterns, where the snares are falling, hi hats, etc.
an open canvas.
You can do the same stuff at fast tempos but imo some of the stranger riddems make more sense at a slower tempo. Also I like to use 32nd note patterns in dubstep. At 170 32nd notes just sound like a blur.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:58 pm
by parson
in my experience, when i've built a tune around any bpm, it sounds like shit when moved 30 bpms off.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:09 pm
by cygn
thank you guys for all the suggestions!
I liked some of parson's tracks and bought Escapee Planes - Smell Triggered Memory.
also horza's recommendation, "density - who wants some" is a fat dnb track with a dubstep feel. I will have to hunt this one down.
some of you say that 170 bpm is always dnb. this might be correct, but nevertheless tunes like pinch's pepper spray sound more like dubstep to me. I think this thread shows that there are tunes which could be classified as both dnb and dubstep. a lot of the discussion here seems to be about genre definitions. I don't really care if you want to call it dubstep, dnb, dubstep at dnb tempo, dnb with dubstep influcences, etc.
my main intention was to find out, which tunes by dubstep producers could fit in a dnb set. i'm not so deep into dubstep, so some "dnb" tunes by dubstep producers might slip under my radar.
now some of you have suggested tracks by dnb producers. that's ok too if I don't know them already. in the end, if a tune has 170/85 bpm, sparse beats, no 2step pattern and a heavy sub and in general reminds you of dubstep, just post it in this thread.
some dnb tunes which would fit in here:
Jonny L - Approaching
Insight - Double Dealing
Digital - Cyberdub
Drkstr vs Instra:Mental - The Chamber
Nico - Hyperspace
Polar - Backlight
Dom & Roland - Breakout
Source Direct - Technical Warfare
Dylan & Raiden - Preacherman
and of course lots of tunes by amit and breakage
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:47 pm
by little boh peep
Parson wrote:in my experience, when i've built a tune around any bpm, it sounds like shit when moved 30 bpms off.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:36 pm
by fractal
Little Boh Peep wrote:Parson wrote:in my experience, when i've built a tune around any bpm, it sounds like shit when moved 30 bpms off.
seriosuly fucks the lows
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:46 pm
by parson
well i wasn't even talking about shifting the pitch after the tune is done. i just meant changing the bpm in the sequencer